Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

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Tony Jones called the reports about the Jazz possibly trading Rudy to Toronto frivolous on the radio this afternoon and said no serious talks are happening yet between any teams. He also continues to change his tune about how much the roster will change this offseason...he's now saying that the Jazz want to add wings around the margins and try to become more matchup proof and that the core may start to change this year or next. At the start of the offseason, he was reporting that there would be significant and possibly seismic changes to the roster this summer, and that as many as two starters may be moved.

Tim MacMahon said that that the word on the Jazz coming out of the combine is that they don't want to trade any of their main guys.

Get ready to run it back again with this same core...1st round exit here we come!!!

If this is true, It is disappointing but not surprising. The Jazz baked the cake too long, instead of making changes as they continued to lose in the playoffs nothing changed really. I am going to scream if the Jazz don't at least move some of our starters to the bench. Royce needs to go to the bench. So does Conley. DM should be the PG and someone with size play the SG position. Butler should get minutes over Forrest and if Udoka is healthy then let him play the back up center.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

What do you feel about:

Rudy for OG and Trent Jr

then

Bojan for Capela

Don
Trent
OG
Royce
Capela

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I think that team would do well if the chemistry is there. Like others have said I don’t think just a Gobert move or any set of moves gets us there yet but this could steer us in the right direction. I’ve always liked capela and he was a beast in Houston.


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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Conley's old. Bogey's expiring this year. Royce's defense dropped this past season. The Jazz have to make substantial changes whether they want to or not.

 

[infection]

I’m telling you guys… we already know what we can get for JC and Bogey excuse we likely shopped them at the deadline… we have a good idea after calling around what the trades for Mike and Royce would look like. We likely fielded a couple calls on Rudy. The yield likely wasn’t looking great so the time changes to “nah we doing fring move stuff we don’t even want to move any of our core guys ya bish”.

Maybe something better shakes out later but my offseason prediction is we get out of the tax… that’s it… we somehow will lose enough salary to duck the tax or at least get in range that it’s an option. A future second and NAW to the Thunder. Waive and stretch Rudy Gay’s deal. Or Jared Butler and Rudy Gay go somewhere for a trade exception. We will buy a couple LATE second rounders to draft guys that we can pay $900k instead of 1.8M to a league minimum guy. None of these will be positioned as salary dumps by Jazz media types… except for Andy Larsen who will get Twitter hate from every Jazz player and get fired from the Trib. Also @infection will come up with 400 metaphors to explain how dumb these moves are.

I’m past feeling on any of this. I’d agree that there aren’t any moves we can really make, and I think they’d be afraid to rock the boat much. We did this same thing for the last three years of the Deron teams. It’s just amazing that we can bring in someone from the outside and (presumably) continue course. When we watch all indications from the FO be that we’re willing to have Quin back, it’s really not fair to ourselves to have any expectation that we’ll do anything to improve this team from either a talent or mentality perspective. I believe we could contend with minor talent rebalancing but with a mentality makeover. Bringing back Quin and the rest of the squad is the antithesis of that. I’m pretty much checked out on anything regarding that. Not all that interested in the draft. Not all that interested in the off-season. My hopes for anything meaningful to that changes us getting identical results next year are incredibly low. Still watch and cheer and follow, but this is serious malpractice and I’m beyond being mad and have moved to apathy. If they don’t care, why should we?

 

[LoPo]

How far that group goes depends on how much Donovan's defense and playmaking improves... which is similar to where we are now.

That's just bogus. As ridiculous as saying we would be a contender if Rudy could create his own offense and score 25 a game.

Our supporting cast is a joke. Everybody is so incredibly one dimensional. Easy to guard and easy to attack.




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[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's just bogus. As ridiculous as saying we would be a contender if Rudy could create his own offense and score 25 a game.

Our supporting cast is a joke. Everybody is so incredibly one dimensional. Easy to guard and easy to attack.




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The Jazz are not easy to guard lmfao

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That's just bogus. As ridiculous as saying we would be a contender if Rudy could create his own offense and score 25 a game.

Our supporting cast is a joke. Everybody is so incredibly one dimensional. Easy to guard and easy to attack.




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Why? Teams go as far as their stars take them… our biggest improvement was always going to be Donovan going from maybe Bradley Beal to maybe Kawhi Leonard… not the same players but having a similar two way value. He had defensive tools… he had the ability to create for others. Rudy it was never possible for him to ne a 25 ppg guy… Donovan in theory could be a defensive menace. That’s why this team was always going as far as Donovan can take them… removing a star for other pieces only makes that more true. If Donovan stays the same player he will get picked on in defense and teams will switch and double and force him to make the right reads.

I’m not sure why you’d even disagree seeing as how you are the biggest Don homer here. If Donovan is good in the mavs series we win it… full stop. Does that mean he’s the only one who sucked? Nope! Even if Mike is hits his regular season averages we likely lose with Doni an playing like that.

Teams go as far as their stars take them… especially if they are a solo star.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m past feeling on any of this. I’d agree that there aren’t any moves we can really make, and I think they’d be afraid to rock the boat much. We did this same thing for the last three years of the Deron teams. It’s just amazing that we can bring in someone from the outside and (presumably) continue course. When we watch all indications from the FO be that we’re willing to have Quin back, it’s really not fair to ourselves to have any expectation that we’ll do anything to improve this team from either a talent or mentality perspective. I believe we could contend with minor talent rebalancing but with a mentality makeover. Bringing back Quin and the rest of the squad is the antithesis of that. I’m pretty much checked out on anything regarding that. Not all that interested in the draft. Not all that interested in the off-season. My hopes for anything meaningful to that changes us getting identical results next year are incredibly low. Still watch and cheer and follow, but this is serious malpractice and I’m beyond being mad and have moved to apathy. If they don’t care, why should we?

I’m going back to summer league this year… gonna be real loud and get this **** turned around.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Woj is reporting that Snyder might walk away from the Jazz.

 

[jom2003]

Conley's old. Bogey's expiring this year. Royce's defense dropped this past season. The Jazz have to make substantial changes whether they want to or not.

only if we could keep our two best players and upgrade everyone else......

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Woj is reporting that Snyder might walk away from the Jazz.

It always felt like a staring contest to me.

 

[jom2003]

if we wanna go for one more title run(how is that even possible I don't know), Quin can go.

But if we are to go full rebuild, not sure if there are many better options than Quin. A bad coach can ruin your rebuild or put you in a limbo. Remember 2013, when tY cORbIN was giving Marvin Williams/biedrins minutes over rookie Rudy. Marvin was on an expiring too and it had become common knowledge that we were just gonna let him walk in the summer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

if we wanna go for one more title run(how is that even possible I don't know), Quin can go.

But if we are to go full rebuild, not sure if there are many better options than Quin. A bad coach can ruin your rebuild or put you in a limbo. Remember 2013, when tY cORbIN was giving Marvin Williams/biedrins minutes over rookie Rudy. Marvin was on an expiring too and it had become common knowledge that we were just gonna let him walk in the summer.

Lots of unknown guys have been great for rebuilds though. Quin hasn’t been interested in playing the young guys… hard pass.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

If we run it back, I’ll be done with the NBA again.

Not kidding. **** management. This core has been dead since no later than the All-Star break. What in the actual ****?

And Snyder is so ****ing overrated. Let him walk.

 

[jom2003]

Lots of unknown guys have been great for rebuilds though. Quin hasn’t been interested in playing the young guys… hard pass.

trade away half of your team and that could change quickly. Quin pulled us out of a rebuild before. give him nothing but a full team of young guys and he will make them starters, sometimes allstars, while consistently giving you 50 wins in the process. can't say the same about every coach, especially the ones that you've never heard of, like that Ty guy who succeeded Sloan

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

trade away half of your team and that could change quickly. Quin pulled us out of a rebuild before. give him nothing but a full team of young guys and he will make them starters, sometimes allstars.

Igor and Bryant were the masterminds.

The OKC coach is good… memohis got a good one… Borrego is solid… Atkinson… it ain’t impossible. Rudy pulled us out of the rebuild. Quin is fine but I’m tired of his BS and excuses. The last year has told me all I need to know on him. Udoka has been there a year and isn’t afraid to call his dudes out. Quin can’t seem to get to his guys and plays helicopter parent at the first hint of criticism… he can take his sex machine to San Antonio… we good.

 

[infection]

if we wanna go for one more title run(how is that even possible I don't know), Quin can go.

But if we are to go full rebuild, not sure if there are many better options than Quin. A bad coach can ruin your rebuild or put you in a limbo. Remember 2013, when tY cORbIN was giving Marvin Williams/biedrins minutes over rookie Rudy. Marvin was on an expiring too and it had become common knowledge that we were just gonna let him walk in the summer.

Corbin did a bad job with minute allocation but I had to look up Biedrins because I was certain he only got into a couple games. He played a total of 45 minutes.

 

[jom2003]

Igor and Bryant were the masterminds.

The OKC coach is good… memohis got a good one… Borrego is solid… Atkinson… it ain’t impossible. Rudy pulled us out of the rebuild. Quin is fine but I’m tired of his BS and excuses. The last year has told me all I need to know on him. Udoka has been there a year and isn’t afraid to call his dudes out. Quin can’t seem to get to his guys and plays helicopter parent at the first hint of criticism… he can take his sex machine to San Antonio… we good.

OKC ain't having a single winning season with their new coach yet. And you can say that presti is the mastermind not their coach.

Borrego was fired. atkinson too. they were literally homeless man version of snyder and their fans grew tired of them too.

Udoka is that kind of coach who could take your team to the next level, yes. but he wasn't there for the celtics rebuild. that's why i said quin can go if we want to take the next steo(not sure how with this current roster), but if we just want to go through a rebuild and get out of it quickly, Quin is one of your best options out there. and like you said, if Quin's let go, all we gonna do is probably gonna bring in some cheap unknown coach then pray. Quin hasn't been great, but it could get worse. like much worse. Corbin level worse

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Corbin did a bad job with minute allocation but I had to look up Biedrins because I was certain he only got into a couple games. He played a total of 45 minutes.

Those 45 minutes could have gone to Rudy!!!

 

[jom2003]

Corbin did a bad job with minute allocation but I had to look up Biedrins because I was certain he only got into a couple games. He played a total of 45 minutes.

he only got those minutes when rudy was sent to rod in the D-league. so technically i wasn't wrong. no reason rudy couldn't get those 45minutes and send biedrins packing if it wasn't for corbin