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Luka has "some" defensive value as a rebounder... Not a lot. He still relies on his teammates to rebound and play defense, basically covering all the dirty work so he didn't need to do it. Putting him on this Jazz team won't change that. We will still allow folks like Brunson and Mann drop 40 on us.

IF we can add 3 and D wings our success will depend on how good Donovan is. Sure. But that's a big IF so i'm not sure you can just jump to any conclusion right now when we aren't anywhere close to that point.
And guess what... if Luka doesn't improve his conditioning or defense his team won't win titles either... and he is a much better offensive engine than Donovan.
 
The Jazz just released a puff piece on Royce so it would appear Gobert, Bojan, Conley, DM, JC and Royce ain't going anywhere based on puff pieces peddled by the team.
 
THe real issue: Donovan makes no one better on offense and actively makes his teammates worse on defense.

Stellar individual scorer. Not **** as a leader, a trashcan in the clutch, and a dumpster on defense.

So a great #2 option on a competitive playoff team. That’s why the Jazz as currently constructed need to strongly consider moving him for some good picks…. Unless he makes the move to being a two way star which I know he HAD the potential to be. He came Into the league as a good defensive player but seemingly dropped that to be a scorer.


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So a great #2 option on a competitive playoff team. That’s why the Jazz as currently constructed need to strongly consider moving him for some good picks…. Unless he makes the move to being a two way star which I know he HAD the potential to be. He came Into the league as a good defensive player but seemingly dropped that to be a scorer.


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No, I thnk Donovan can absolutely be a #1 (scoring) option, it just has to be next to someone like Lebron. Like what Kyrie did.
 
Technically it is. Donovan averages 40pt per 100poss on 46% shooting against Dallas whenever Mike isn't on the floor. And only 29pt on 33% shooting when he is. Having Mike Conley automatically shifts DM to a tougher matchup where he has size disadvantage.
Yes... the Mavs were totally going to put DFS on a player other than Donovan based on who his backcourt mate was... you nailed it.
 
Does Donovan want to be Zach Lavine/Demar DeRozan or can he be more like Jimmy Butler or can he at least defend on a Devin Booker level and get a little more efficient? That's what drives our ultimate success.
 
I love how you jump in and protect Donovan without really considering what I said. I said this team will go as far as Donovan takes them... I've said that for like 2-3 years... before the great and ****** playoffs. He was always going to have to be a creator on offense and a good defender. If he wasn't going to be a two-way star in the mold of Jimmy or Kawhi then Donovan plus Rudy wouldn't be good enough.

That statement recognizes Donovan's awesome potential and Rudy's limitations. If I thought he could improve I'd anchor our ceiling to Rudy.

We won't win every series where Donovan plays well, but his play is the baseline that will raise the team's ceiling. Re-arrange all the deck chairs you want... it will still be true unless we find a star who is better than him.
Rudy is the floor. Donovan is the ceiling. As presently constituted, without Rudy we don't get into the playoffs to begin with, but without Donovan having a stellar series and making at least a passable effort on being a 2-way player, we'll never get to the promised land.
 
Bobby Marks and Locke both thought the Nets might be interested in trading their pick for Royce...so much for that.


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They still could. The smart move was always to defer that pick until 2023. Its a pick they own from Philly. Its unprotected next year. James Harden is a free agent, Embiid is a big time health risk... that one has maybe a 25% chance of being a lotto pick if some things break the wrong way. Worst case its a mid 20s pick next year.
 
Kuzma + Ish Smith for Conley works
It is likely KCP and something else. They love Kuzma. I proposed Deni and KCP and some thought it was absurd. Depends on if you think Mike is just cooked or if he just had a bad series... also depends on what they think of Deni. If he is just his stats its not super impressive... I think he has a chance to be a great super glue guy... he's also working with Drew Hanlen this offseason. If it was KCP+Ish and a second or two I wouldn't be surprised. It does save us some money and Ryan loves saving money.
 
It is likely KCP and something else. They love Kuzma. I proposed Deni and KCP and some thought it was absurd. Depends on if you think Mike is just cooked or if he just had a bad series... also depends on what they think of Deni. If he is just his stats its not super impressive... I think he has a chance to be a great super glue guy... he's also working with Drew Hanlen this offseason. If it was KCP+Ish and a second or two I wouldn't be surprised. It does save us some money and Ryan loves saving money.
KCP and Rui makes more sense. Not like they can pay Rui next year and they need to free up minutes for Deni.

Conley is still a huge positive. He's not a negative asset at all.
 
Does Donovan want to be Zach Lavine/Demar DeRozan or can he be more like Jimmy Butler or can he at least defend on a Devin Booker level and get a little more efficient? That's what drives our ultimate success.
THe problem is he can't. He's not a super high IQ player. He's got a high scoring feel and a good feel for drive and kick, but he is moderate to low IQ in most other facets of the game.
 
KCP and Rui makes more sense. Not like they can pay Rui next year and they need to free up minutes for Deni.

Conley is still a huge positive. He's not a negative asset at all.
Yeah but I prefer Deni... I hear ya though. They might complicate the "logjam" on the wing by taking another wing with #10. Its a good problem but not if you are trying to win and can't get enough time on the floor for the developing guys.

I think KCP is a solid wing defender. I'm not super interested in Rui but I'll bet you could find someone that would give you something.
 
OG and Trent would make sense for Toronto.

Then the Raptors can play massive lineups with Siakim/Gobert/Barnes in the front court.

They can start Yuta at the 2 guard and be an absolute defensive unit.

They would need some more shooting, but they have the 33rd pick on the draft that could be used to address that.

They have Powell at the 2, no?
 
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