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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
listened to the Tony Jones interview. This really got me.

Tony Jones said picking Dok over Bane or McDaniels killed this 8 year era of jazz basketball. Said the scouting department were given an opportunity to state a case for McDaniels for 20 minutes and DL still picked Dok. This pisses me off. Tony then said it killed 8 years of quality gm’ing. How the **** do you not listen to your scouting department? What are you paying them for?? If DL drafts McDaniels or Bane then that just makes the acquisitions of Conley and Bogey that much better.
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Plus follow that up with actually using the full MLE on a stretch big which we clearly needed rather than the stupid Favors deal. Imagine if we came out of that offseason with McDaniels or Bane and maybe Bobby Portis locked into a 3 or 4 year MLE type deal.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Are the Knicks supposed to be better in ‘24 than ‘23? And to restate/clarify, I’d just take the Dallas ‘23 pick.
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The Dallas pick is top 10 protected... I think there is a real chance the Knicks miss the playoffs next year. I want the small percentage chance at a high pick or late lotto. They can keep the Dallas pick.
 
Elizah Huge said:
2029 is absolutely the line
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Aight

-‘23 Dallas
-‘24/‘26/‘28 unprotected
-‘25/‘27/‘29/‘30 swaps
-add Grimes and/or some 2nds

Guess I’m trying to be realistic. I’m also putting a premium on getting this across the ****ing finish line and I think the top-end/premium potential is just as good if not maybe even better. I also really want an assurance of a ‘24 pick as it creates the possibility for getting a swap there too in a later trade with all of the vet spare parts we got now.

The game once you have a good quantity of assets is trying to increase the quality of them, in my mind.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Aight

-‘23 Dallas
-‘24/‘26/‘28 unprotected
-‘25/‘27/‘29/‘30 swaps
-add Grimes or some 2nds
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You can’t trade the 2030 pick in any capacity.

That is only 4 total 1sts.

I would at minimum ask for the 23/25/27/29 Knicks 1sts the Dallas 2023 1st and the Milwaukee 2025 1st plus 26/28 pick swaps.
 
I don’t think the 2029 pick is really in play. Too much wonkiness that could scare either side from wanting to include it. Like I said in the other thread, I don’t think GM’s love the idea of super distant picks as much as fans do. With three additional picks in addition to their own and several young players the Knicks could trade, I think the deal gets done without it. 2029 is just too much of a wildcard given the situation.
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think the 2029 pick is really in play. Too much wonkiness that could scare either side from wanting to include it. Like I said in the other thread, I don’t think GM’s love the idea of super distant picks as much as fans do. With three additional picks in addition to their own and several young players the Knicks could trade, I think the deal gets done without it. 2029 is just too much of a wildcard given the situation.
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It was included for Gobert though and there is no wonkiness from the receiving side (us). Why would we be scared from taking it?
 
KqWIN said:
I don’t think the 2029 pick is really in play. Too much wonkiness that could scare either side from wanting to include it. Like I said in the other thread, I don’t think GM’s love the idea of super distant picks as much as fans do. With three additional picks in addition to their own and several young players the Knicks could trade, I think the deal gets done without it. 2029 is just too much of a wildcard given the situation.
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Oh its in play... we got it from Minny... why not here.
 
If Ainge actually gets this deal done after what we got for Rudy, I think there will be a bit of a reset in the league... maybe not quite yet... but there is a reason teams stopped giving unprotected picks out and teams been throwing that **** out like candy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If Ainge actually gets this deal done after what we got for Rudy, I think there will be a bit of a reset in the league... maybe not quite yet... but there is a reason teams stopped giving unprotected picks out and teams been throwing that **** out like candy.
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It will stop happening sometime in the near future.
 
The difference between MIN and NYK is that MIN didn’t have much else to give. NYK has many more picks and more interesting young players to get it done.

It’s a two sided thing. I don’t think GM’s love receiving super distant picks, but HH is also right that crappy franchises are/should be wary of trading them. In other words, I think both sides are weary of dealing with that pick.

If the deal can get done without 2029 I think it will, not sure that was the case with MIN. MIN had some pieces they could have added instead, but NYK has a lot of grease. I think it will 23/25/27 + DAL 23 + DET/WAS 23. Some pick swaps in between maybe. Then Toppin+Quickley+Fournier+Grimes.
 
KqWIN said:
The difference between MIN and NYK is that MIN didn’t have much else to give. NYK has many more picks and more interesting young players to get it done.

It’s a two sided thing. I don’t think GM’s love receiving super distant picks, but HH is also right that crappy franchises are/should be wary of trading them. In other words, I think both sides are weary of dealing with that pick.

If the deal can get done without 2029 I think it will, not sure that was the case with MIN. MIN had some pieces they could have added instead, but NYK has a lot of grease. I think it will 23/25/27 + DAL 23 + DET/WAS 23. Some pick swaps in between maybe. Then Toppin+Quickley+Fournier+Grimes.
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There is zero risk on our side from taking a pick that far out. Zero. That doesn’t even make sense.
 
KqWIN said:
The difference between MIN and NYK is that MIN didn’t have much else to give. NYK has many more picks and more interesting young players to get it done.

It’s a two sided thing. I don’t think GM’s love receiving super distant picks, but HH is also right that crappy franchises are/should be wary of trading them. In other words, I think both sides are weary of dealing with that pick.

If the deal can get done without 2029 I think it will, not sure that was the case with MIN. MIN had some pieces they could have added instead, but NYK has a lot of grease. I think it will 23/25/27 + DAL 23 + DET/WAS 23. Some pick swaps in between maybe. Then Toppin+Quickley+Fournier+Grimes.
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Nah as a GM I love it. I can sell that thing off in a trade as a premium asset or hold it long term. Danny will want that more than like the Detroit pick they own because of the protections.
 
Elizah Huge said:
There is zero risk on our side from taking a pick that far out. Zero. That doesn’t even make sense.
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We also already have 3 picks in 2023 before the NY trade... you can always do a draft night trade to punt one down the road or consolidate, but I wouldn't want to stack 5 one year and 1 the next if possible. So I'd rather have the 29 pick than the Dallas pick per se. Even though the earth will have burnt by then.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Nah as a GM I love it. I can sell that thing off in a trade as a premium asset or hold it long term. Danny will want that more than like the Detroit pick they own because of the protections.
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Danny might be one of the GM’s that likes the uncertainty, but generally I do think GM’s would rather trade with that are more certain. The “it could turn out to be really good” potential is hard to value in the first place, but I especially think that fans are more hopeful of that potential than GM’s.

In any case, I think of the deal can get done without it, both sides would feel better. And with all of NYK’s assets I think it can, so I’m betting that it will.
 
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