Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

[NUMBERICA]

I just brought this up in the other thread and I’ll throw it out here too.

We should be try to take Westbrook back in the same Knicks deal. It would allow us to take back more total salary because we are sending a higher total out. We can add Beverley and Bogey in the deal and take Westbrook back. That doesn’t work on it’s own but in a 3-way it does. Lakers save almost 15M so they’d definitely be more likely to give us their 27/29 1sts and a 28 pick swap.

But does that put the Jazz back in the tax?

 

[Elizah Huge]

We have to watch the tax a little… saving them 5-10M while taking the huge headache off their hand and giving them a few rotation players should be worth those picks. Those picks are actually likely better than the Knicks picks and in 5-7 years tbh.

Bogey/Bev/JC and we will do a NAW for THT if it helps em a little.

But does that put the Jazz back in the tax?

Whatever Westbrook gives up in the buyout is subtracted from his cap hit.

We’d still be under the tax with this deal by a hair pre-buyout.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, maybe the Lakers want Conley instead of Beverley which is fine. Miami is interested in Beverley and I’m sure we could grab either their 2027 or 2029 1st if we took Robinson’s salary back.

Then you rehab Robinson and spin him to the Kings for more draft compensation.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Then you rehab Robinson and spin him to the Kings for more draft compensation.

 

[infection]

Then you rehab Robinson and spin him to the Kings for more draft compensation.

 

[Elizah Huge]

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Kills me every time.

 

[mellow]

If Lakers are trying to give away Westbrook wouldn't the Knicks be better off buying low on Westbrook and pairing him with Brunson? And keep more of their players and picks?

 

[framer]

Kind of late to do that. This current roster is borderline playoffs, if that. I don't see us randomly pulling out a winning roster this deep into FA. By winning I mean being good enough to be dangerous come playoff time.

At this point we would be throwing Donovan out there as SF. . .

 

[Elizah Huge]

If Lakers are trying to give away Westbrook wouldn't the Knicks be better off buying low on Westbrook and pairing him with Brunson? And keep more of their players and picks?

Westbrook is not good.

 

[nateboz]

Did we trade Mitchell to the Knicks for 6 picks yet?

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[Gameface]

Westbrook is not good.

I typed up a response but didn't post it because it was not as nice as this. But yeah, Westbrook can't be bought low because he isn't worth anything.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Also, maybe the Lakers want Conley instead of Beverley which is fine. Miami is interested in Beverley and I’m sure we could grab either their 2027 or 2029 1st if we took Robinson’s salary back.

Beverley, Beasley and Vanderbilt can’t be combined with other players in a trade for two months. They can be traded by themselves, or with assets attached, but you can’t combine their salary with someone else’s to get a higher cost player back.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Then you rehab Robinson and spin him to the Kings for more draft compensation.

Robinson’s contract is SO bad though. I think the only way you trade for him is you secretly want him and convince Miami to attach an asset to unload it. Unless you love the guy and REALLY want him, about $20 million per year is a huge lift for the next 4 seasons.

 

[Gameface]

Did we trade Mitchell to the Knicks for 6 picks yet?

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soon(tm)

 

[Elizah Huge]

Beverley, Beasley and Vanderbilt can’t be combined with other players in a trade for two months. They can be traded by themselves, or with assets attached, but you can’t combine their salary with someone else’s to get a higher cost player back.

The trade can become official on August 30th. Still well before the season starts.

 

[Douchebag K]

soon(tm)

nah not gonna happen

 

[Keefe]

Quickley is not that good. People are way overstating his play.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Quickley is not that good. People are way overstating his play.

I’d rather have Grimes and Toppin. Getting Quickley wouldn’t be terrible, but I think it’s going to be hard to properly evaluate him during a tanking season in order to decide if he’s worth paying decent money to long term.

 

[idiot]

I don't know if the Grimes stuff is an Ainge bluff, but assuming it's not I'd have to guess because he best fits the model of how we want to build for the future more than the other Knicks players-- tough, good size, defensive minded, proven worker/improver, also some offensive upside.

 

[stitches]

The only leverage they have is if they think they can take their current rosters to a great 1st half start.

Even if they have a great 1st half of the season - can you imagine the push there will be in NY to add another superstar in order to compete that year? As long as there seems to be another step to take forward, the pressure will always be on the Knicks to improve.