There are few US institutions as reliably conservative over the last hundred years as the FBI. It speaks volumes that "many on the political right" would think otherwise.
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LogGrad98
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Based on his fear of losing his privilege, which he does not understand. But it makes him uneasy, even though he doesn't know why, and since that is not normal it must be bad. So if it is bad the gub'mint has to be behind it. So since the gubmint is obviously a threat, they need to be eliminated. So he can go back to feeling, you know, comfortable. Change is hard!
A cop lying to get a warrant application is "dog bites man" news. That's why no one around here is talking about the cops being arrested for lying about the invasion of Breanna Taylor's apartment. The only unusual part is that there is a prosecution at all.
Four current, former Louisville police officers federally charged in Breonna Taylor's death
Four current and former Louisville police officers involved in the deadly raid on Breonna Taylor's home -- including detectives who worked on the search warrant and the ex-officer accused of firing blindly into her home -- have been charged with civil rights violations and other counts, Attorney...
www.cnn.com
The contents are available on the internet. What's worth investigating, specifically?
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Every one of those items is real. The lying on FISA warrants was done by Kevin Clinesmith and he's been convicted for it.
FBI lawyer from Russia investigation sentenced to probation for Carter Page FISA warrant false statement | CNN Politics
Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith will not serve jail time for changing a document that backed a surveillance warrant of former Trump associate Carter Page during the early Russia investigation, a federal judge ruled on Friday.www.cnn.com
The Steele dossier used by the FBI appears to be the product of a Russian disinformation campaign
Opinion | Steele Dossier Disinformation Update
New evidence that the FBI was duped by Russian intelligence.www.wsj.com
Most of the so-called perpetrators of the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot are getting acquittals due to it becoming clear that without the FBI doing all of the planning that there was no kidnapping plot.
Two Men Acquitted of Plotting to Kidnap Michigan Governor in High-Profile Trial
The acquittals, along with mistrials in cases against two other men, were significant setbacks for federal prosecutors, who have promised to focus on domestic terrorism.www.nytimes.com
Like it or not, the Hunter Biden laptop is real, and the FBI buried the investigation.
FBI, DOJ accused of burying Hunter Biden dirt: Sen. Chuck Grassley
“Highly credible whistleblowers” are accusing the FBI and Justice Department of hiding “verified and verifiable” dirt on President Biden’s troubled son Hunter as ̶…nypost.com
Trying to gaslight people on the political right by saying that Kevin Clinesmith wasn't really convicted doesn't help. There are real issues with how politically partisan the FBI appears to half the country, and if these issues have reached the level of being voiced by our elected representatives including at least one of the senior members of the Senate Judiciary Committee then it is unwise to ignore it.
Look, you dont have to prove to me that you are susceptible to fake news media. I already know.
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I see. So desantis, trump, and anyone on the political right should be free to do whatever crimes they want and the fbi should never investigate because investigating anyone on the right for any reason shows that the fbi are just democrats. Pretty sweet straw man you tried to create.
I only see two solutions that would appease trumpers. 1. Fire everyone in the fbi and re hire all new agents. Problem with that solution is that the first time the new agents investigate a crime by a right wing politician, we are back to square one and they are just dems with badges again because we all know that right wing politicians are incapable of committing crimes.
Solution 2. Just let right wing politicians commit crimes without consequence.
The grand old party of law and order
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Any more that is exactly what the Trumpsters want. Of course that is what every politician has always wanted, crime in politics is hardly a new thing. But it is completely bizarre how far this has all escalated into insanity with it being so public and with zero nuance. At least in the past they tried to lie and deny their way out of things. Now they are going after the people whose job it is to investigate all this. Don't deny anything, in fact double down on the ********, but take out the enforcers of the law. It is the ultimate form of gaslighting. Say it and embrace it enough and it becomes true.
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Republicans act like they're merely a feather in the wind being tossed around by forces they cannot influence or control when in reality, they're active participants in their own distrust of reality.
Republicans lost the 2020 Presidential election. But instead of reflecting back on why they lost (bad candidate and policies) they decide to not believe in or trust the election results.
Republicans don't like that the media reports Republican crimes. But instead of reflecting back and making course corrections (denouncing Jan 6) they decide to not believe in or trust the media.
Republicans don't like how people voted in 2020. But instead of reflecting back and trying to win in the ideas marketplace, they decide to give up on convincing voters and decide to disenfranchise voters through voter suppression.
Republicans don't like that Trump is being investigated by the FBI. But instead of reflecting on what crimes he might have committed to warrant an FBI raid, they decide to not believe in or trust the FBI.
Republicans have DECIDED to give up on America and American democracy. They have decided on authoritarianism because they don't want the rules to apply to them. They want to be in charge of the country without having to undertake any of the responsibility like, winning elections, having good policy, obeying the law, running good candidates, compromising with the other party, conceding when you lose, etc.
It's more comforting to them to avoid reflection. It's easier to double down and admit that Trump (their god) is infallible and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong rather than admit that they've been taken for fools. They refuse to admit that they've been wrong and that the people they hate have been right. It's easier to never reflect but to just keep weaving dumb conspiracy after conspiracy. The "**** your feelings" crowd just can't stand having their feelings hurt.
Republicans lost the 2020 Presidential election. But instead of reflecting back on why they lost (bad candidate and policies) they decide to not believe in or trust the election results.
Republicans don't like that the media reports Republican crimes. But instead of reflecting back and making course corrections (denouncing Jan 6) they decide to not believe in or trust the media.
Republicans don't like how people voted in 2020. But instead of reflecting back and trying to win in the ideas marketplace, they decide to give up on convincing voters and decide to disenfranchise voters through voter suppression.
Republicans don't like that Trump is being investigated by the FBI. But instead of reflecting on what crimes he might have committed to warrant an FBI raid, they decide to not believe in or trust the FBI.
Republicans have DECIDED to give up on America and American democracy. They have decided on authoritarianism because they don't want the rules to apply to them. They want to be in charge of the country without having to undertake any of the responsibility like, winning elections, having good policy, obeying the law, running good candidates, compromising with the other party, conceding when you lose, etc.
It's more comforting to them to avoid reflection. It's easier to double down and admit that Trump (their god) is infallible and EVERYONE ELSE is wrong rather than admit that they've been taken for fools. They refuse to admit that they've been wrong and that the people they hate have been right. It's easier to never reflect but to just keep weaving dumb conspiracy after conspiracy. The "**** your feelings" crowd just can't stand having their feelings hurt.
To be fair, most of the people I have heard express continuing support of Trump say it is because they value policies over character. I think many Republican voters who did not vote for Trump did so not because they were disappointed with his policies but because his behavior was just too much for them to ignore.
Strong southern boarder is important to them.
Anti-Muslim policies and rhetoric is important to them.
Ultra-conservative Supreme Court justices is important to them.
Lower taxes (regardless of them disproportionally helping the very wealthy) is important to them.
Cutting restrictions in general but especially environmental regulations that they believe cost jobs is important to them.
Last but certainly not least, owning the libs is important to them.
Many were perfectly happy with Trump's performance and/or effort on those issues. Some felt that despite that Trump simply isn't fit for office (because he very clearly isn't) so they didn't vote for him in 2020. Independent voters in particular, who are less passionate about the above in general, couldn't vote to re-elect him. Anti-Trump voters who might not even care about politics at all came out specifically to vote against Trump because they absolutely can't believe he was elected President in 2016 and were not going to stand by and possibly let that happen again.
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Al on the january 6th committee: i dont have a problem with an investigation into what happened on January 6th i just dont think congress should be the ones doing it, it should be law enforcement.
Law enforcement investigates trump, Al is like well thats also not ok. Lol.
I see what you want here. No investigations into orange god king by anyone for any reason. Should have just come out and said that in the first place man.
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Al-O-Meter
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What you have constructed here is a straw man.
I agree with your first statement. It should be law enforcement doing criminal investigations. As for the rest of your post, I've been very open that I do not have a problem with charging or prosecuting Trump. When laws are broken, there should be consequences. From a political standpoint, if the FBI is slave to the democrat party then this move was genius. Trump has too many negatives to beat a democrat in the next presidential election, but this attack on Trump will bring a resolve to Trump's base which will likely serve to get him the nomination over DeSantis whom the democrats cannot beat.
My pointing out the reasons behind why those on the political right no longer trust the FBI had nothing to do with the rain on Mar-o-Lago. They have more to do with things like Andrew McCabe getting caught in at least 3 instances of lying to investigators but nothing happening to him including his keeping his pension. With the FBI, many are noting a political bias to the way things are being handled.
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Why do you say “if” the fbi are slave to the democratic party? I think they are slave to the republican party for investigating hillary and hunter.
I mean the head of the fbi was appointed by trump himself. Gotta be republicans wearing badges.
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What about DeSantis's political history makes you think he's unbeatable in 2024?
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This is pretty accurate, just not the Anti-Muslim policies. I think you could also add that the right liked him being a fighter. (Yes, some people think he is a bully but others like how he stands up media and the left). I personally don't understand why people say he isn't fit for office, just because you hate the guy, the things he says, his relationships, his eithics, his businesses etc... doesn't make him unfit. Just like when the right was saying Obama wasn't fit because he was a 1/2 term senator and no experience. When people say unfit, what metrics do they use and do they use the same metrics across the board on all politicians? If someone is not moral, what morals are considered unqualified.
You need to be 35, natural born citizen and a resident for the last 14 years are the requirements. All the other issues people have with the candidates should be vetted in the primary and the general election. If the candidate is elected then they should be fit because they won the support of the people. Health is also vetted, remember Hillary falling into a van.
I don't want Trump to run in 2024 because I believe when presidents are closing in or are in their 80's, then mentally they slow down and can be mentally unfit. I don't think Biden is there yet, but you can see him slowing down over the last few years and it will be a major issue with independents in 2024. I hope he doesn't run either and we get some new candidates to choose from.
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I would argue that ethics would make one unfit for the role of president. You could argue that relationships do as well. It depends on how these factors influence what you do as president. Obviously his ethics allowed him to ignore the attack on the capital to the extent that we lost lives needlessly. That makes him unfit, imo. He had the means to do something about it and didn't do anything to stop it. That is not what a president should do. So, maybe these intangible traits are not immediate disqualifiers, but they should still be a big part of what we look at in a candidate, for, more often than not, what you value will guide what you do, and if those values are not in line with the best things for the country, then you stand a good chance to be a detriment if not outright destructive to the institution of president and the country you are sworn to protect.
But obviously you cannot codify that. It is too nebulous. It does, hopefully, get weeded out in the electoral process. But that is pretty flawed as well. The average citizen is just too driven by soundbites and is not discerning enough to really dig into each candidate. Instead they hear "fake news" and grasp onto that because, *gasp* I think the news is fake too!! That guy is great!! All too often that is how the decisions are made. And that is pretty scary.
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Kinda answered your own question. I would add his fraudulent university, literally zero experience or qualifications, using charity fraudulently, getting impeached twice, encouraging of a riot at the white house in order to overturn an election, misappropriation of funds for his border wall, misappropriation of funds for the stop the steal campaign, asking military if we can simply shoot protesters, pardoning his friends who get convicted, firing anyone who disagrees with him, hiring unqualified family members for government positions, sleeping with a porn star as a few more reasons.
There are many
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Bucknutz
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I think he is the fighter the right likes, the way he governs Florida, pro parents, school choice, shut down riots and political harassment, fiscally responsible, covid response, pro law enforcement, school curriculum. Military background, Large State Governor, can raise money, Yale and Harvard educated, young. He has great opportunity in 2024, but anyone can be beat (Hillary).
Bucknutz
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Great response. Trump didn't change when he got into office. The nation saw what his ethics, relationships and governing style daily what it is all about and then voted him out.
You can see this on the left as well. Take the "don't say gay" (sound bite) bill in Florida, which people didn't dig into the bill. Once they did, it was a popular bill. This is used all over politics and it is pretty scary that people make their decisions off of soundbites.
Douchebag K
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Your country is ****ed. Both sides of politics are pathetic