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Jazz and Knicks discussing Donovan Mitchell trade per Shams Charania and Tony Jones

Elizah Huge said:
He’s 34 and an expiring contract though. How much is he REALLY worth?
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On his own likely a good second rounders... if you took on bad money like we did... two good second rounders.

The deal is obviously a really small loss in the grand scheme of things. I just think there is more given the timing and the team we traded him to etc. If its just cuz they like THT... well then I disagree.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On his own likely a good second rounders... if you took on bad money like we did... two good second rounders.

The deal is obviously a really small loss in the grand scheme of things. I just think there is more given the timing and the team we traded him to etc. If its just cuz they like THT... well then I disagree.
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I was being sarcastic lol I honestly think we could have gotten a first for him.
 
The market can be fickle sometimes. Teams were not throwing picks to get Bev. I think part of that is next year is historically good draft so normally Bev would solicit a pick but teams are holding the picks tightly. So it came down to a smaller pool of teams wanting Bev and this is was the best offer. Is that undervaluing him. Yes but we aren't waiting for the trade deadline to hold onto him - we have other goals and having him would have increased the win total.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They are the kind of deals that became death by a thousand cuts in the DL era.

We still don’t have like any second round picks… grab one here or there now… even though its not a huge deal.
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I mean we have 3 first round picks next year, probably at least 5 if the New York deal goes down. Why the Hell do we need second rounders?
 
framer said:
I mean we have 3 first round picks next year, probably at least 5 if the New York deal goes down. Why the Hell do we need second rounders?
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Will they have the nba in 2024, 2025, 2026 and beyond? We have 3 second round picks the next 7 years… nothing wrong with adding some now. Even if you don’t draft guys they are good filler assets in other deals… we like fill those coffers fast but no reason to ignore it now.
 
homeytennis said:
Mr. Banks is an idiot. He is throwing a big word around not knowing what it means.
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Yeah. Ainge is team president of an NBA team - not CEO of some Fortune 500 publicly traded company.

The only person he represents is Ryan Smith and it sure looks like he gave DA carte blanche to do whatever it takes to build the team his way. Also - eff - the Knicks. I have zero problems with how Ainge has handled this summer. He got great deals for both O’Neale and Gobert. If he has to hold out to get the same from Mitchell - so be it.
 
framer said:
I mean we have 3 first round picks next year, probably at least 5 if the New York deal goes down. Why the Hell do we need second rounders?
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To lube or dial in deals. If there’s some player out there that only requires a second to acquire, it’s better to send that than a first.

And just broadly speaking, if the last few years haven’t demonstrated that 2nd rounders do stuff then there is nothing I or anyone else can tell you.

You get or retain assets whenever you can. Period.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
I’m confused… ya it’s shocking, but basically this dude is saying Ainge is going to take a lesser deal from another team because the Knicks refuse to pay a decent offer and some how it benefits Ainge?
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I think maybe his idea is that instead of taking a very good offer from the Knicks, DA will hold out in order to look like the GOAT, and will end up having to take a lesser offer later when Knicks pull theirs. Or something. I don't think the tweet will age all that well.
 
Here's a fun one that will never happen:

Jazz get: 4 unprotected firsts (Knicks 2023, 2025, 2027 & Lakers 2027); 2 protected firsts, (Knicks 2023 via Detroit; Knicks 2023 via Dallas); 1 pick swap (Knicks 2028); Grimes, Westbrook, Rose, Hield
Jazz give up: Mitchell, Bogdanovic, Conley, NAW, Gay

Knicks get: Mitchell, Gay, TJ McConnell
Knicks give up: 3 unprotected firsts (2023, 2025, 2027); 2 protected firsts (2023 via Detroit; 2023 via Dallas); 2 pick swaps (2028, 2029); Grimes, Rose, Randle, Reddish

Lakers get: Miles Turner, Bogdanovic, Reddish, NAW
Lakers give up: Westbrook; 2 unprotected firsts (2027, 2029); 1 pick swap (2026)

Pacers get: 1 unprotected first (Lakers 2029); 2 pick swaps (Lakers 2026, Knicks 2029); Conley, Randle
Pacers give up: Turner, Hield, McConnell

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Why for Jazz: 4 unprotected firsts + Grimes (and protecteds and swap) for Donovan and Bogey is probably not the dream scenario, but may be what's realistic. Conley, NAW, and Gay are difficult contracts to move for positive value as is; maybe Hield's contract is more moveable at trade deadline or next year when expiring? Rose and Westbrook could be waived, if desired, and will be $61.5 million off the books next year.

Why for Knicks: Get Donovan and get off Randle. Though draft capital depleted, most of the young guys are retained and available for another big move by the Knicks. Replace Rose with McConnell, and Fournier's shooting is retained to soften loss of Grimes. Gay can back up Toppin and Obi can run free as starter.

Why for Lakers: Duh -- Westbrook's gone and three players they're said to have had particular interest in return. All incoming players are expiring, so they preserve their cap flexibility next year while giving Lebron at least puncher's chance to make something big happen this year.

Why for Pacers: This is the hardest one, as I'm not sure I believe the reports that say they want remain competitive even if they trade away Turner & Hield. They probably didn't get enough. But former all-stars Randle and Conley are unlikely to damage their bottom line much as Pacers are already well under the cap and probably won't have that many big paydays due soon. Plus the unprotected first and two swaps (which are pretty high value if you think the Knicks and the Lakers might be in trouble 7 and 4 years into the future, respectively) are nice. They also even out their roster a bit (they've long been willing to part with Turner; they have a glut of SGs and of centers and centers masquerading as PFs).
 
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I want to see the team we have right now. A lot of new faces, a new dynamic. It's going to be interesting, and we look to have built a 7 seconds or less offense consisting of a high volume of 3's, fast breaks, alley oops, and overall fun basketball. If Donovan takes this team to the semi, or better yet conference Finals I think a lot of fans here will change their tune on him.

The fact that he's stayed quiet, and professional through all of this has won me over. Had this been most other superstar caliber players they'd have entertained the rumors.
 
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