We Got Swindled by Sexton (And Eddie Zero Sucks)

[Eddie Zero]

I think Swindled is the wrong word here Cy.. it implies him being dishonest or sneaky or deceitful.. I don’t think you can say any of that about Sexton...

His agent.. at a stretch.. maybe.. but not Sexton personally.

Klutch you mean? lol Everyone in any org, probably feels like they had to overpay, to get any athlete, represented by Rich. However given the amount that players like Herro, Simons and Dort received respectively, Sexton is on a bargain, not an overpay based on his pre injury skillset, regardless of lack of team success in Cleveland. The contract won't even be the highest or close it, as far as cap percentage if he is still on the roster in two seasons.(doubt it with Danny Ainge running things),but if he is there will be others brought in making more.
I have him right now, at a fair deal as is, and a bargain.I think if he gets back to his old self. Takes it another level or two which is normal every season for him & the contract is highly desireable.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

you literally said you stand behind using the word swindle... so sorry for taking you literally... maybe just say what you mean.

you bitching about a guy's trade value due to his contract before he can even be traded... lmao... you yelling at clouds homie then saying "i actually enjoy the clouds".

You need Lopo back to be the yin to your yang.

I see you are trying to do that

 

[Eddie Zero]

Redirect Notice

This was Cleveland being generous.

no news here. Cleveland had just paid Garland a massive bag(5-190) and could not offer more than exactly what they did to Sexton, at that time without going into the tax. He was not healthy then either still coming off a nmajor injury. They were not by any means interested in paying him the 4-100 he wanted before injury either though and so the minute they low balled him,post injury, discussions about a sign and trade began. So here we are.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Coming back from serious injuries, i will allow myself 1 complete season before jumping into conclusion regarding this guy. He is fast, able to create offense. I'm not sold on his defense and IQ basketball but time will tell.

His basketball IQ is fine, it has gotten better imo since the injury. He had a lot of time off to watch film for sure. I think his inability to play with others that had a higher basketball IQ or that demanded usage away from him, because they were disgruntled former champs on a tanker, is what gave him a bad rep in his rookie season. He was all about scoring and to hell with all the old guys that didn't want to be there was his mindset. He wanted win, but they wouldn't let him win. I feel like I am reciting a line from First Blood.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I see you are trying to do that

Problem is I rarely say wild ****… so I’m not sure you want me to be the yin to your yang.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Problem is I rarely say wild ****… so I’m not sure you want me to be the yin to your yang.

The Desert is circular, you'll both have to travel... in a spiral.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think Swindled is the wrong word here Cy.. it implies him being dishonest or sneaky or deceitful.. I don’t think you can say any of that about Sexton...

His agent.. at a stretch.. maybe.. but not Sexton personally.

Well swindled was the best word I could think of that was an alliteration with Sexton. People are making out of a mole hill because they need something to attack.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

no news here. Cleveland had just paid Garland a massive bag(5-190) and could not offer more than exactly what they did to Sexton, at that time without going into the tax. He was not healthy then either still coming off a nmajor injury. They were not by any means interested in paying him the 4-100 he wanted before injury either though and so the minute they low balled him,post injury, discussions about a sign and trade began. So here we are.

Yes, Sexton was not worth going into the tax for. They gave him a generous offer

 

[HermanG]

I think the deal is low end starter money, and to me he looks like he is not too far from being a low end starter at PG. Since he is just 24 and we had Conley who could "mentor him" or whatever, I don't think he was a negative assett in the trade. I think it was bench plan all along, and him bringing high energy to court once he gets his number called. And then at some point, maybe trade Conley or have him naturally take over the starting position if it pans out.

Remember the cap is climbing in a hurry. Good bench guards are gonna be 9-11M pretty soon, and low end starters are gonna be hitting close to 20, especially if they are young and have shown promise.

 

[Bodhi]

This is high level message board “play both sides so I have posts to reference showing I was right either way”.

Elite stuff my brother.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Yes, Sexton was not worth going into the tax for. They gave him a generous offer

I think your take on this is very unoriginal, and wrong on many levels.
There are a number of reasons that go into what any org can and will do, regarding player contracts, that has nothing to do with player value to them, and simply league value off injury benefits the team in RFA.
Klutch sports also represents Darius Garland coming off 1 breakout season where he could not carry them into the playoffs albeit not injured, and the same people who managed to get Cleveland to push it all in on Garland, somehow could not get Sexton paid as well? No . They had more options than just Cleveland hence what we have here. ( a failure to communicate) Sexton not getting any offers Klutch approved of coming off injury, including the Cavs tax based offer, any other the Cavs would have matched , including any in the range he is paid now; it's common knowledge how much they liked him. He just didn't get any offers coming off a major injury. Teams accross the league overpaid there own players big time this summer, so anyone like yourself thinking Sexton or Klutch, or Ainge, Swindled them as a Jazz fan, does not by any means understand what took place at all. He got paid what he deserves and is on a baragain if he gets better end of story.

 

[HermanG]

I think your take on this is very unoriginal, and wrong on many levels.
There are a number of reasons that go into what any org can and will do, regarding player contracts, that has nothing to do with player value to them, and simply league value off injury benefits the team in RFA.
Klutch sports also represents Darius Garland coming off 1 breakout season where he could not carry them into the playoffs albeit not injured, and the same people who managed to get Cleveland to push it all in on Garland, somehow could not get Sexton paid as well? No . They had more options than just Cleveland hence what we have here. ( a failure to communicate) Sexton not getting any offers Klutch approved of coming off injury, including the Cavs tax based offer, any other the Cavs would have matched , including any in the range he is paid now; it's common knowledge how much they liked him. He just didn't get any offers coming off a major injury. Teams accross the league overpaid there own players big time this summer, so anyone like yourself thinking Sexton or Klutch, or Ainge, Swindled them as a Jazz fan, does not by any means understand what took place at all. He got paid what he deserves and is on a baragain if he gets better end of story.

Yeah and they use other contracts to benchmark position and production as well when making these deals if there is no bidding competition. If we look at PG on their 2nd contract around the same salary levels:

• Dejounte Murray - 26 years - similar deal
• Tyus Jones - 26 years - similar cap number but much worse overall deal
• Markelle Fultz - 24 years - similar cap number but worse deal

None of those guys had the paper production Sexton had (remember that Murray got his in 2020 when his season best line had been 10.9/5.8/4.1 in 25 minutes of average time), and while Fultz was an awesome prospect at one point but when you factor in his production and health history, it makes sense he is on a worse deal than Sexton.