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Game 2: The Redemption: Utah Jazz @ Denver Nuggets (12/28/11, 7pm MST)

You know what this team needs - a home game. At least in the preseason we showed up in our home game after struggling mightily in portland.
 
I'm tired, and going to sleep.
I saw some positive things.
Maybe Hayward should play more at SG...
Burks , Tinsley, Evans might warrant bigger roles??????????
 
Golfman said:
So I guess Big Al, Paul Millsap, and Gordon Hayward are our worst players, according to +/-. I don't buy it. +/- does lie, quite often.
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This is a game to especially look at rebounds (10 RBs and +5 plus-minus in 16 minutes for Favors vs. a measly 5 RBs and -21 +/- in 30 minutes for AJ), assists (2 assists and -13 for Harris in 21 minutes vs. 4 assists for Tinsley and +7 in 10 minutes of mostly garbage play), and maybe blocks and steals.

Conclusions:
1. Jefferson STILL doesn't deserve 30 minutes, AGAIN, while Favors and others deserve more. (Favors didn't score much, but he was providing much-needed rebounding).
2. There is at least one option--maybe two or three--that are superior to Harris at PG.
 
Everyone needs to remember that Ty Corbin is a Rookie too, or close to it. He needs time on the floor just like the players do. I'll be patient, but I do hope they get better.
 
Most of Favors rebounds were in garbage time. +/- isn't accurate for this game. He wasn't any better than anyone else on the court, unfortunately.

This game was almost like a 3 stooges film for a good part of it, Jazz throwing the ball everywhere
 
Archie Moses said:
Denver could really push the ball up the court and score.
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They do put a lot of pressure on your defense, basically a nightmare for us right now.

I like the makeup of that team, to have a guy like Andre Miller of the bench to lead the 2nd team is nice to have.
 
It seems like this will be a common theme most games:

1. Play it close and look good the 1st quarter
2. Offense implodes, causing the defense to implode from frustration from the offense
3. Continue to suck
4. 4th quarter starts, other team has stopped playing as hard. Quick pad stats so it looks like the people who played in the 4th quarter are better than those who didn't.
 
Lance-A-Million said:
Most of Favors rebounds were in garbage time. +/- isn't accurate for this game. He wasn't any better than anyone else on the court, unfortunately.
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That's an interesting way to characterize the first five minutes of the first quarter and the first nine minutes of the third quarter, with Favors starting alongside the rest of the starting lineup. Then again, maybe it's appropriate to regard Corbin's starters as "garbage."

And no, most of Favors' rebounds were not in the THREE or FOUR MINUTES of garbage time that he played, and even when you take out Favors' true garbage time minutes and rebounds, he still pulled down 6 rebounds in about 13 minutes--a higher productivity on both an absolute basis and frequency basis than Slow Al (not to be confused with Slowkur).

If you take out DF's +/- in garbage time, Favors ends up with zero or better, vs. AJ's embarrassing (and team-"leading") minus 21, implying that the Jazz were outscored by around 21 when AJ was on the court and his crucial sidekick Favors was not. (Was Millsap effective alongside Jefferson without Favors? Not by a longshot, as far as this game went. Why not? Because Millsap and Jefferson are not centers and should spend most of their court time alongside Favors or Kanter.)

In other words, my claim on +/- stands in this regard. But thanks for playing, Lance. A big reason why Corbin (like his predecessor) isn't succeeding might be his poor analysis of lineups. Kind of like your post.
 
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Cyrone Torbin said:
It seems like this will be a common theme most games:

1. Play it close and look good the 1st quarter
2. Offense implodes, causing the defense to implode from frustration from the offense
3. Continue to suck
4. 4th quarter starts, other team has stopped playing as hard. Quick pad stats so it looks like the people who played in the 4th quarter are better than those who didn't.
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Another common theme: Jefferson returned to the game in the middle of the 2nd quarter, both times with Millsap in the game without Favors around, and was part of letting a close game (2 points or less) turn into a double-digit deficit.

Experience is recognizing a mistake when you do it again. (Corbin didn't.)

Millsap is a forward; Jefferson is a forward.

They should be played alongside Favors or Kanter most of the time.

Which means that Millsap should get some SF minutes, or PM & AJ should play no more than about 30 minutes each (unless they prove on any given night that they merit more).

This shouldn't be a problem; there are only 96 minutes at the 4 and 5 spots combined, and it's reasonable to give Favors and Kanter a minimum of 15 minutes each (unless they prove on any given night that they merit more--or less).
 
mellow said:
Quote of the day!!!!

"Its gonna be a long season"

Ty Corbin following loss to Nuggets.
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FIREHIM ON THE SPOT!!! What kind of coach whether he believes it or not makes that kind of statement about his team.Talk about giving up and telling his team they suck,part of being a good coach is selling belief,no wonder there is quit in this team ,the coach is already waiving the white flag,sheez what a mistake of a hire.
 
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