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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I do make up my mind early on prospects. It honestly only takes watching a few games and checking some high school tape. As I've said before, I look at their physical profile, their physical talent and their competitiveness. I do that with every prospect, and I've found that, based on past experience, it's more accurate to do this than to be swayed and talked into changing my mind over time. So from my perspective, I'm not allowing my judgement to be clouded. GG is going to be a very, very different player by the time he turns 21.

Jazz are completely rebuilding their team. They're redesigning their entire roster. It isn't clear what types of players or play style they want to put together. However, to raise their ceiling, they're going to need one or more star players with more on-ball creation than Lauri. The players in this draft with that potential, imo, are Wemby, Scoot, Amen, GG and Sensabaugh. Jarace, Keyonte, Ausar and Jett have some star potential, but they're more likely to be high-level starters. Miller, Whitmore, Black and maybe Dick are likely to be high-level complementary players. When it comes to drafting, I only care about star upside, especially if the Jazz are going to be drafting in the lottery.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. The Jazz never seem to pick my favorite players. Strangely though, Sam Presti often does.
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Do you even post your rankings?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Thats like saying milk and steak are the same food cuz they both come from cows
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NBA comps can be difficult but i think Black has shades of all the big point guards. They are all unique though. I doubt he's ever the shooter Haliburton is but who knows... Tyrese's jumper is goofy and he makes it work.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Post Deadline Big Board

  1. Wemby (Tier I)
  2. Scoot
  3. Amen Thompson (Tier II)
  4. Brandon Miller
  5. Jarace Walker
  6. Cam Whitmore
  7. Nick Smith Jr
  8. Cason Wallace (Tier III)
  9. Anthony Black
  10. Ausar Thompson
  11. Kyle Filipowski
  12. Taylor Hendricks
  13. Leonard Miller
  14. Grady Dick
  15. Keyonte George
  16. Jett Howard (Tier IV)
  17. Derek Lively
  18. Jordan Hawkins
  19. Rayan Rupert
  20. GG Jackson
  21. Brice Sensabaugh
  22. Maxwell Lewis (Tier V)
  23. Jalen Hood Schifino
  24. Kris Murray
  25. Marcus Sasser
  26. Terquavion Smith
  27. Daron Holmes
  28. Trayce Jackson Davis
  29. Jaime Jacquez Jr
  30. Dariq Whitehead
  31. Colby Jones
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From this board, who would you say are the best perimeter defenders?
 
HermanG said:
From this board, who would you say are the best perimeter defenders?
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Won't answer for Cy... but lots of guys project as good defenders. Both thompsons are supposed to be great, Walker and Wallace seem to be good, Black should be pretty good, Whitmore projects as a really good defender... haven't watched him enough in normal games to formulate my own opinion.
 
I flip flop on Black by the day or even half. Watched the Miss St game last night and the dude is so confusing.

Love his size and handle for the size but he's been pegged as a great defender and as many times you show him doing well on that end you can also show him being lost and leaving his feet too often. He is someone you really have to project what he can be with good coaching and development. He's still in my top 15 but it goes from like 6th to 15th sometimes by the possession with him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Won't answer for Cy... but lots of guys project as good defenders. Both thompsons are supposed to be great, Walker and Wallace seem to be good, Black should be pretty good, Whitmore projects as a really good defender... haven't watched him enough in normal games to formulate my own opinion.
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I think the dude that's an absolute lock to be a good to great defender in general is Walker. Im not as high on him offensively as others here but he's high on my board for having a potentially elite transferable skill year one.
 
Bodhi said:
I flip flop on Black by the day or even half. Watched the Miss St game last night and the dude is so confusing.

Love his size and handle for the size but he's been pegged as a great defender and as many times you show him doing well on that end you can also show him being lost and leaving his feet too often. He is someone you really have to project what he can be with good coaching and development. He's still in my top 15 but it goes from like 6th to 15th sometimes by the possession with him.
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I also think NBA space will benefit him... and NBA talent... I know he has NSJ and Walsh but smith has been hurt and Walsh can't score. Council is up and down. I just watch him make good passes that get fumbled or he's running plays to nowhere because he doesn't have shooters.

I get it though... the ugly moments are not just his situation. He threw at least one awful pick 6 pass in the game and he lets guys go under screens without much thought of shooting at times.
 
Bodhi said:
I think the dude that's an absolute lock to be a good to great defender in general is Walker. Im not as high on him offensively as others here but he's high on my board for having a potentially elite transferable skill year one.
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I'd say Wallace is there too. I haven't watched Walker enough but I'm sure he will be good on that end.
 
I think Hendricks will be a very good defender too. His will be more as a help defender... I don't think his one-on-one defense is bad just so hard/impossible to be a lock down guy... I think he will be fine on switches and guarding his guy.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I also think NBA space will benefit him... and NBA talent... I know he has NSJ and Walsh but smith has been hurt and Walsh can't score. Council is up and down. I just watch him make good passes that get fumbled or he's running plays to nowhere because he doesn't have shooters.

I get it though... the ugly moments are not just his situation. He threw at least one awful pick 6 pass in the game and he lets guys go under screens without much thought of shooting at times.
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We are seeing the exact same thing.
 
Bodhi said:
We are seeing the exact same thing.
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And all my views on him are clouded a bit by Vecenie waxing on about the type of kid he is and the baller he is. True gym rat and you can see him on the court doing stuff he's supposed to... he's out there trying to win and execute the plan. I like that he went somewhere with a high level recruit too... like he just seems to be about the right things and if the shooting gets good then he's a problem.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
honestly i'm not sure what makes nick smith an nba player. he's not big, he's not strong, he's not quick, he's not a vertical athlete, he's not shooter, he's not a PG so he's small for his position.

he has some scoring chops, but honestly, a non-athlete who is small for his position should shoot better than 29% from three.
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He looks average at best since the injury, and in college in general even before the injury, has had a limited role as a playmaker. But, if you watch some old film before college, it is clear he has top 10 pick court vision, Sexton speed, a decent scoring toolbox , albeit not natural looking jumper from deep , but a consistently reliable one nonetheless.
I wouldn't take him too high, if the draft was today, because of the potential medical flags,especially if I didn't have first hand access to them. With a clean BOH he is a lottery pick no regrets to all 14 pick owners.
He does need to get a lot stronger and is not a win now prospect at all.
 
Someone compared Black to Kyle Andrson earlier and while that is bad, Black is closer to Kyle Anderson as an "archetype" than he is Tyrese Haliburton.

To me Haliburton is as close a true PG as you get in modern NBA. He truly manipulates defenses and moves them as a PNR player. He's tall (but he's got mediocre length for his height and is pretty skinny). He uses his size effectively to make plays out of the PNR and to get his weird **** off, but he isn't using his size like Black to get into the paint and draw fouls/finish.

Black is a fluid athlete with good size/handle combination who uses his downhill ability to make plays. He's probably going to put on some good muscle and be someone who is playing in that 210-220 range. If the off the dribble 3pt jumper never materializes he isn't a starting NBA PG imo, he's a secondary playmaking wing/guard. I don't think he has that high-level attacking athletic ability overcome lack of off the dribble shooting, which would force him off ball more where he can shoot an easier set **** and attack close outs and just generally be put into better positions to use his playmaking ability all over the court rather than being someone who is more primarily bringing it up and running PNR.
 
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