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Salty, do you honestly believe that Boise St. had the 2nd best defense in the nation last year? Most of those stats were compiled against very horrible WAC competition. There were probably 7+ SEC schools that had better defenses yet ranked lower. The problem with clinging to stats to make your point is that with the wide varity of strength of schedules, you're going to get skewed stats.
I absolutely believe Boise State had one of the best defenses in the nation last year. I also believe they would have had a legitimate shot at the championship if their kicker didn't suck.

Playing the "weak conference" card doesn't fly. Boise State played the teams on their schedule, including several ranked teams.

You can say the stats don't mean anything. But there is no evidence to support your claim that Utah's offense stunk every time they faced a top 30 defense. There is plenty of evidence that says your statement was wrong.

I maintain that Utah's offense stunk against the top 2 defenses in the nation, and the 19th best defense in horrible weather. Utah's offense was very good against everyone else, including some other top defenses.

I would be happy to see Utah go back to an offense that only stinks against the top 2 defenses in the nation, or a top 20 defense in bad weather. That would be much better than what we saw this season.
 
Michigan win in the Sugar Bowl.... Beyond ugly but it is a win and back towards the top. Thank you Brady Hoke for bringing Michigan football back! Been a few rough years with the slime ball Rich Rod ignoring tradition and what Michigan football is about!!
 
Michigan win in the Sugar Bowl.... Beyond ugly but it is a win and back towards the top. Thank you Brady Hoke for bringing Michigan football back! Been a few rough years with the slime ball Rich Rod ignoring tradition and what Michigan football is about!!

What does this have to do with the Utes OC opening?
 
I just can't get on board with your line of thinking Salty. If you don't have a problem with ARod as OC, then you have to be in favor of 1 of the following:

-Utah ditching the pro style offense after only one season and all of the possible ramifications that would follow: possible recruits rethinking their committment, Utah looking like they're reaching for an identity which could give the image of instability and hurt future recruiting, etc.

or....

-Keeping the pro style offense and putting a spread guy in charge of it who only has one season experience working in that system.

Those are the 2 options we have if ARod is promoted back to OC. Period. I'm sorry, but neither option looks very good to me. IMO, I like the pro style offense, I just didn't like how Chow ran it. Back when Meyer brought the spread to Utah it was cutting edge and it gave Utah a leg up on the competition. Now, it seems like over half the damn schools in D1 run some variation of the spread. Teams prep for it several times a year. While it certainly can still be an effective offense, the days of suprising people with it are over.
 
I just can't get on board with your line of thinking Salty. If you don't have a problem with ARod as OC, then you have to be in favor of 1 of the following:

-Utah ditching the pro style offense after only one season and all of the possible ramifications that would follow: possible recruits rethinking their committment, Utah looking like they're reaching for an identity which could give the image of instability and hurt future recruiting, etc.

or....

-Keeping the pro style offense and putting a spread guy in charge of it who only has one season experience working in that system.

Those are the 2 options we have if ARod is promoted back to OC. Period. I'm sorry, but neither option looks very good to me. IMO, I like the pro style offense, I just didn't like how Chow ran it. Back when Meyer brought the spread to Utah it was cutting edge and it gave Utah a leg up on the competition. Now, it seems like over half the damn schools in D1 run some variation of the spread. Teams prep for it several times a year. While it certainly can still be an effective offense, the days of suprising people with it are over.

I am not against the spread, and not against the pro style either. I am also not against some hybrid of the 2. I'm not against anything they want to run, as long as they can run it well.

I don't think any recruits are going to say, "I only came here because I expected to be running a pro style. If you're running a spread I am transferring!" If anyone would be upset about it, it would probably be a RB, or maybe a TE. I doubt the QB cares, doubt any linemen care, and can't imagine any receivers care.

My understanding of the whole situation was that the Utes were only changing to the pro style because Wynn totally sucked at running the ball (which spread QB's have to be good at). But now that Wynn probably won't be the starter next year, I don't think that's a big deal.

I haven't seen Chase Hansen a lot, but what little I have seen he has been a good runner. Obviously that doesn't mean he will be at the next level, but he's bigger and stronger than Wynn and doesn't totally **** his pants the way Wynn does when he is about to get hit.

In short: I don't care what formation Utah runs the most. I just want whatever they run to work and work well. I saw the spread work well for several years, even though the QB was by no means a good runner. I then saw the pro style totally stink this season, even though we had one of the best RBs in the Pac 12, several NFL caliber WRs, 2 all Pac 12 O lineman, and an OC who was supposedly a legend.

So if we go back to the spread, even with the same OC we had directing the spread last year, I won't complain about it. I think even you agree that last year's offense was WAY better than this year's offense. Even though we had better players on offense this year pretty much across the board (with the exception of Hays, but even there we had Wynn early in the season and the offense still stunk).
 
Pac 12 just released schedules for all teams. USC and Utah face off on in SLC on Thursday, October 4th. Both will be coming off byes. Can't wait.
 
Pac 12 just released schedules for all teams. USC and Utah face off on in SLC on Thursday, October 4th. Both will be coming off byes. Can't wait.
Northern Colorado, Utah State, and BYU are the out of conference games. lol, we're really scheduling like a BCS team now.

Conference games are the same as this year, except in the other stadium.

All jokes aside, looking at that schedule I don't see how Utah loses more than 2 regular season games (if that). And if the offense gets itself together, Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season (at least in the regular season). It's pretty early and all, but I bet even the haters will find a hard time going on record and predicting more than 2 of these games as losses:

Thur., Aug. 30
Northern Colorado at Utah

Sat. Sept. 8
Utah at Utah State

Sat., Sept. 15
BYU at Utah

Sat., Sept. 22
Utah at Arizona State

Sat., Sept. 29
Bye

Thurs., Oct. 4
USC at Utah

Sat., Oct. 13
Utah at UCLA

Sat., Oct. 20
Utah at Oregon State

Sat., Oct. 27
California at Utah

Sat., Nov. 3
Washington State at Utah

Sat., Nov. 10
Utah at Washington

Sat., Nov. 17
Arizona at Utah

Fri., Nov. 23
Utah at Colorado

Fri., Nov. 30
Pac-12 Championship Game
 
Me catching up:

I don't mind if Utah drops the drum and feather. Oregon dropped Donald Duck, and went on to have 500 million uniform combinations. I wouldn't mind at all if Utah went with the block "U", and had a red, white, and black helmet, with red, black, white and gray uniforms. We could be on Oregon's level uniform wise at least.

I bet Kyle is sitting on his hands about the OC right now. There is no need to rush anything. Keep your eyes and ears open for a big name (ala Chow) or just hire ARod. Heck, you could wait until spring ball starts up to name an OC. No rush.

That schedule is awesome. Makes me want to go and get season tickets. Fun stuff. I can't wait for next year. I can't wait for the spring game, to watch Wynn, Hansen and Wilson. I can't wait for football. I miss it already.
 
Fri., Nov. 30
Pac-12 Championship Game

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Northern Colorado, Utah State, and BYU are the out of conference games. lol, we're really scheduling like a BCS team now.

Conference games are the same as this year, except in the other stadium.

All jokes aside, looking at that schedule I don't see how Utah loses more than 2 regular season games (if that). And if the offense gets itself together, Utah has a real shot at going undefeated next season (at least in the regular season). It's pretty early and all, but I bet even the haters will find a hard time going on record and predicting more than 2 of these games as losses:

Bwahaha, it never ends...

So, which is it, undefeated or two losses? Either way, I'll jump all over this one. There is NO WAY Utah goes undefeated next year, and I'd be willing to drop $25.00 on Utah losing AT LEAST two games. (BYU is a given, and the rest of those games are just as likely losses as wins) I'd say Utah has a better chance of losing all of their games than winning all but two.
 
Bwahaha, it never ends...

So, which is it, undefeated or two losses? Either way, I'll jump all over this one. There is NO WAY Utah goes undefeated next year, and I'd be willing to drop $25.00 on Utah losing AT LEAST two games. (BYU is a given, and the rest of those games are just as likely losses as wins) I'd say Utah has a better chance of losing all of their games than winning all but two.

I won't be diverting my winnings this year to a lost cause.
 
There is NO WAY Utah goes undefeated next year, and I'd be willing to drop $25.00 on Utah losing AT LEAST two games. (BYU is a given, and the rest of those games are just as likely losses as wins)

This (the part in bold) may be the most myopic comment I've seen out of you.
 
Thur., Aug. 30
Northern Colorado at Utah

Sat. Sept. 8
Utah at Utah State

Sat., Sept. 15
BYU at Utah

Sat., Sept. 22
Utah at Arizona State

Sat., Sept. 29
Bye

Thurs., Oct. 4
USC at Utah

Sat., Oct. 13
Utah at UCLA

Sat., Oct. 20
Utah at Oregon State

Sat., Oct. 27
California at Utah

Sat., Nov. 3
Washington State at Utah

Sat., Nov. 10
Utah at Washington

Sat., Nov. 17
Arizona at Utah

Fri., Nov. 23
Utah at Colorado

Fri., Nov. 30
Watching the Pac-12 Championship Game

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Bwahaha, it never ends...

So, which is it, undefeated or two losses? Either way, I'll jump all over this one. There is NO WAY Utah goes undefeated next year, and I'd be willing to drop $25.00 on Utah losing AT LEAST two games. (BYU is a given, and the rest of those games are just as likely losses as wins) I'd say Utah has a better chance of losing all of their games than winning all but two.

Bwahahahahaha. That is classic. With Riley Nelson? Bwahahahahaha. That is just so cute. I bet you think Nelson is the next Tebow and Hoffman will win the Heisman. LOL. Man, I need to wipe a tear from my eye.

You do realize that BYU will be pretty much the exact same team next season as it was this last season. Utah's offense will be the same, with better RB's. Utah's defense will be much, much better. Utah's secondary will eat the cubbies little guys alive. Alive. They don't have a chance. The biggest improvement BYU will make this offseason is Jacobson graduating.
 
Bwahahahahaha. That is classic. With Riley Nelson? Bwahahahahaha. That is just so cute. I bet you think Nelson is the next Tebow and Hoffman will win the Heisman. LOL. Man, I need to wipe a tear from my eye.

You do realize that BYU will be pretty much the exact same team next season as it was this last season. Utah's offense will be the same, with better RB's. Utah's defense will be much, much better. Utah's secondary will eat the cubbies little guys alive. Alive. They don't have a chance. The biggest improvement BYU will make this offseason is Jacobson graduating.

I ignored most of the junk in your post, but this one part caught my attention.
One quick question, who is coming to Utah that is projected to be better than White?
Just curious. Curious.
 
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