2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

[homeytennis]

Remember Luka scored 23 points in a Jazz victory over the world champs late in the season. Potter also had a double double in that game. Is Collins that much better?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Remember Luka scored 23 points in a Jazz victory over the world champs late in the season. Potter also had a double double in that game. Is Collins that much better?

Yes and he comes with an asset.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What would you be willing to send asset wise if we traded for both Collins and Dejounte?

I only trade for Murray if I can do a renegotiate and extend. So we'd need to send Sexton/KO to do that and still have space for that. On top of that a pick I suppose... but not much more. I'm not in love with that type of arrangement because we get expensive and inflexible if Collins doesn't improve his value. It could be a three team deal where we take back dead one year salary for a team that wants collins.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They are going to deal Collins, I think it's pretty obvious.

Dealing Murray would be a disaster and I'm pretty he was the owner's son's call. Would be pretty shocked if they deal him unless they get enough back to save face, which I don't think they would.

Hunter might be known as being disappointing mid, but he's still a better player for them than Collins and his deal is decent. He has a better shot at gaining trade value than Collins does, so they keep him.

Dealing Collins is the move. Can save them a good chunk of change and he hasnt impacted winning for them the last two years. Plus you know Quin wants a 4 who is a more willing 3pt shooter. His contract is a disaster though so they will have to give up some future stuff to get off him.

 

[Elizah Huge]

They are going to deal Collins, I think it's pretty obvious.

Dealing Murray would be a disaster and I'm pretty he was the owner's son's call. Would be pretty shocked if they deal him unless they get enough back to save face, which I don't think they would.

Hunter might be known as being disappointing mid, but he's still a better player for them than Collins and his deal is decent. He has a better shot at gaining trade value than Collins does, so they keep him.

Dealing Collins is the move. Can save them a good chunk of change and he hasnt impacted winning for them the last two years. Plus you know Quin wants a 4 who is a more willing 3pt shooter. His contract is a disaster though so they will have to give up some future stuff to get off him.

They don’t really have much future stuff except the Kings pick and their own 2029 1st.

We might not have a pick next year so the Kings pick next year would probably be what the deal is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They are going to deal Collins, I think it's pretty obvious.

Dealing Murray would be a disaster and I'm pretty he was the owner's son's call. Would be pretty shocked if they deal him unless they get enough back to save face, which I don't think they would.

Hunter might be known as being disappointing mid, but he's still a better player for them than Collins and his deal is decent. He has a better shot at gaining trade value than Collins does, so they keep him.

Dealing Collins is the move. Can save them a good chunk of change and he hasnt impacted winning for them the last two years. Plus you know Quin wants a 4 who is a more willing 3pt shooter. His contract is a disaster though so they will have to give up some future stuff to get off him.

This... did want to point out paragraph 2... I have been in these father/son business decision things and the emotion goes really so much further than you might think. Seen many a business make horribly illogical investments and decisions because of this dynamic. Have seen how contentious these things can get as well. They might be more reasonable than some of the folks I've seen... but this has to be considered if the son really did push hard for that deal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the Hawks have just been holding Collins hoping someone got desperate enough to want to take a bet on him.

Now they actually have to dump him. Probably hoping there becomes a reverse bidding war to take him on as a dumpee, but his contract is too monstrous and I don't think they will get lucky. They going to have to be OK with parting with two first round picks to get off JC unless they want to take back salary with him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They don’t really have much future stuff except the Kings pick and their own 2029 1st.

We might not have a pick next year so the Kings pick next year would probably be what the deal is.

And we might send some seconds, KO, Dunn or stuff like that to make it look less like a straight asset dump for Atlanta. I think they are about to do something stupid... just depends on how stupid it is... either way I'd like to be in on that convo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the Hawks have just been holding Collins hoping someone got desperate enough to want to take a bet on him.

Now they actually have to dump him.

Right... been telling everyone the runway is now short. I was shocked they didn't do something at the deadline as its easier to find expiring contracts then... now they have to look for straight cap space teams or crash into the tax mountain. The leverage they hoped to gain by waiting has now turned on them.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think the Hawks have just been holding Collins hoping someone got desperate enough to want to take a bet on him.

Now they actually have to dump him. Probably hoping there becomes a reverse bidding war to take him on as a dumpee, but his contract is too monstrous and I don't think they will get lucky. They going to have to be OK with parting with two first round picks to get off JC unless they want to take back salary with him.

I don’t think they trade two firsts. At max it might be the Kings pick and a swap in 2028 or something.

We might send back KO and seconds like HH said.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Right... been telling everyone the runway is now short. I was shocked they didn't do something at the deadline as its easier to find expiring contracts then... now they have to look for straight cap space teams or crash into the tax mountain. The leverage they hoped to gain by waiting has now turned on them.

Probably because they changed over to the Quin regime and werent prepared for any huge decisions to be made.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don’t think they trade two firsts. At max it might be the Kings pick and a swap in 2028 or something.

We might send back KO and seconds like HH said.

The reports last year were Utah wanted two picks, right?

Why would Utah let up when the conditions have only gotten worse for the Hawks? Utah's leverage has grown!

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Probably because they changed over to the Quin regime and werent prepared for any huge decisions to be made.

The GM also pulled a DL so I get that... but they should have had someone smart enough to realize that if ducking the tax is a priority (all reports indicate that) that the market for Collins would shrink. Now they might get lucky... cuz the Sacramento Leverages just cleared cap space and that is an okay fit... once they realize they have nothing to do with their newfound space... they might bite at a Collins for cap space deal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And Utah's leverage might only grow more once free agency starts if the other dump location teams use their cap space in free agency and Utah doesnt

 

[David Stern]

I’ve said this in other threads, but my offer for Murray and Collins is Olynyk, Clarkson, and the Lakers first

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The reports last year were Utah wanted two picks, right?

Why would Utah let up when the conditions have only gotten worse for the Hawks? Utah's leverage has grown!

The reports were we wanted picks yes... the reports on their side was they wanted picks... a reasonable deal was somewhere in the middle of those two reports lol. If we got a Kings pick but had to give back a 2029 second... then whatevs I guess. The thing I won't budge on is the first if I am doing the negotiation.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The reports were we wanted picks yes... the reports on their side was they wanted picks... a reasonable deal was somewhere in the middle of those two reports lol. If we got a Kings pick but had to give back a 2029 second... then whatevs I guess. The thing I won't budge on is the first if I am doing the negotiation.

Is it reasonable to do the middle thing? Got to think the picks on their side thing is just to protect JC feelings. Utah might be for real the only way this ish happens is if we get two picks.

Collins contract is bad and long.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Is it reasonable to do the middle thing? Got to think the picks on their side thing is just to protect JC feelings. Utah might be for real the only way this ish happens is if we get two picks.

Collins contract is bad and long.

Do you think they trade their 2029 1st to get off of Collins? I think the Kings pick and a 2028 swap or something is the max they’d do but might want some seconds back with a player.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’ve said this in other threads, but my offer for Murray and Collins is Olynyk, Clarkson, and the Lakers first

That's way too little for taking on Collins contract.

Plus, giving up KO is a huge negative for us. They would have to pay for that. He's a positive asset.

I'd take back the Lakers pick and demand they give us the Kings pick.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is it reasonable to do the middle thing? Got to think the picks on their side thing is just to protect JC feelings. Utah might be for real the only way this ish happens is if we get two picks.

Collins contract is bad and long.

If the price is multiple picks then a few cap space teams jump on that... notable SA. I think them wanting picks was a new GM group saying "eff that we want stuff for him" cuz that is what the owners wanted to hear.

I think the deal zone would be Kings pick and JC for KO... if the meat and potatoes are there then the other stuff can be sprinkled in accordingly. If they have to go further than that then they should keep him and deal Hunter or Murray or Capela.