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Jingled said:
My guess is Dame eventually winds up with the Heat. I'm so sick of players being able to dictate where they want to go in trades. We're already at a major disadvantage in free agency, and now it's going to be difficult for us to land a star through a trade, even with all of our assets. It's just frustrating.
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It won't be difficult at all to land a star in a trade once we actually have more established players. Right now we have a bunch of young guys that we really like but haven't really proven much or anything when talking about our rookies. It is hard to sell someone on coming to play with 5 guys that haven't done much but will be relied upon to provide quality depth.
 
sip said:
To ignore age and injuries is just flat out homerism. The odds of Lillard regressing gradually year by year over the next 4 years is extremely high. The odds of his body breaking down more often over the next 4 years is also extremely high. That is reality and to act like that is some weak *** argument is just stupid. It is a major concern that even the biggest Lillard homer should have.
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Dude, reading comprehension.

I never said Dame will be the only player in the history of sports not to regress with age. What I’m saying is to date, he’s not injury prone and I firmly believe that he has 3-4 more years of extremely high level play in him.
You disagree? That’s fine but quit making **** up and putting words in my mouth.
 
Jingled said:
My guess is Dame eventually winds up with the Heat. I'm so sick of players being able to dictate where they want to go in trades. We're already at a major disadvantage in free agency, and now it's going to be difficult for us to land a star through a trade, even with all of our assets. It's just frustrating.
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In a year or two I think we are more established and will be a suitable alternate choice… like we will never be first on the list but if walker and Lauri were more established as well as Hardy’s rep grows… we get in these convos.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I was just making sure to throw that out there. The Miami offer will have to be beat by a fair margin to be the winning bid.

Herro, 2 picks, 2 swaps (not a ton of value), Jacquez, Lowry for Dame and Nurkic. Lets say Portland routes Jacquez and Herro to Brooklyn for Ben Simmons and just one suns pick.

To me it means we'd have to put Sexton, KO, THT, 3 firsts for Dame just to "match"... then does Hendricks or another first close it. To me that is likely the offer that is the winning bid that Portland says "eff it... we will piss Dame off".

If Herro just can't be recycled for a pick even if they take back ****** salary... then we might get away with the Sexton/KO/THT plus 3 firsts... IDK its a significant cost... so I'm only doing it if he begrudgingly decides its fine.
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I'm with you here. I think it's Hendricks that makes our possible offer better than others, and that may be too rich for the Jazz. You lose Hendricks and KO, then you once again have an extremely thin frontcourt, even if the headliners are potentially very good.

Too much happy talk on here that the Jazz can easily beat any other offer without specifying what Portland would actually want. I think Hendricks is probably their #1 target.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
In a year or two I think we are more established and will be a suitable alternate choice… like we will never be first on the list but if walker and Lauri were more established as well as Hardy’s rep grows… we get in these convos.
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I agree with this. Still not sure we will be able to land any of the top tier stars like Luka or Giannis but it will make it easier to land guys in that next tier like Dame.
 
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Jingled said:
I agree with this. Still not sure we will be able to land any of the top tier stars like Luka or Gianis but it will make it easier to land guys in that next tier like Dame.
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Luka maybe Giannis I think goes to a big market if he leaves Milwaukee. I think Luka will be primarily about winning cuz he likely ain’t getting a chip in Dallas.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Depends on what qualifies as a "dude" cuz that hasn't quite worked in Portland. I think it helps you recruit some "guys" but a "dude" well maybe not.

I do think people have a hard time when considering moves that don't make us an instant favorite or don't have like a 5 year window. If we did land Dame... the next few steps could be easier.
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I think that, with very few exceptions, everyone qualifies as that dude. It might not make the deciding difference to actually get the player, but whether it’s Giannis or the really good minimum guy the chances of them wanting to play for the Utah Jazz are greater if Lillard plays for the Jazz. It’s no secret that this generation of stars prefers to team up together.

The only real reason there’s hope that Dame would want to play here is that we have Lauri to begin with. Great players want to play with great players.
 
MT Steve said:
Post ASB Murray: 33.5 mpg, 19.4 ppg on 56.4 TS%, 53.9 EFG%, 7 apg, 3 rpg
Lauri last season: 34.4 mpg, 25.6 ppg on 64.1 TS%, 58.7 EFG%, 1.9 apg, 8.6 rpg
Playoffs Murray: 39.9 mpg, 26.1 ppg on 58.6 TS%, 54.5 EFG%, 7.1 apg, 5.7 rpg

Lauri destroys him in the regular season comparison even ignoring the "rust" factor, and is actually quite a bit better at scoring both in volume and efficiency than even playoffs Murray.

I don't think people realize just how good Lauri was last season. His numbers were prime-MVP Dirk tier.
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I hate when people try to cherry pick numbers and don't give the whole picture. Also I am well aware of how good Lauri was last year. Lets actually look at Murrays numbers from January to the end of the year to get a real picture of how well he was playing. Another thing to consider with Lauri since you want to focus so much on TS% is that in November and December Lauri had 2 of the most insane shooting months that we have ever seen from any player in nba history and that is probably not repeatable. The last 3 months of the year we saw a gradual decline in those percentages. That isn't a knock on Lauri because he was great but I don't think any of us expect him to ever have a 2 month shooting stretch like that again in his career.

January- 22.1pts, 5.8asts, 4.6rbs, 48.1%fg, 45.1%3pt
February- 25.2pts, 7.7asts, 3.8rbs, 47.1%fg, 37.1%3pt
March- 20.2pts, 7asts, 3.9rbs, 44.2%fg, 43.6%3pt
April- He only played 3 games and one of which was only 9 minutes since the nugs had the 1 seed rapped up.
 
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