Dame Time

[underdog]

I don't want Danny to trade Sexton. The Young Bull makes us win games. He'll be better than ever in the coming season. Look at his efficiency. Why can't folks see it? He's not like THT who can't shoot the ball in the basket unless he dunks. Sexton is fire. We need him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There’s a lot of potential for the Grant contract having more value if Collins continues to struggle and decline.

Grant is just such a seamless fit in so many situations that he will have value so long as he is healthy. Likely puts up big numbers in Portland and is flipped for a first by the trade deadline.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just watching this thing unfold with dame, Portland and Miami gives me a deeper respect and appreciation for DM and how he just did no talking or circumventing in the media, for all we no we might not have gotten Markkanen if not for Mitchell’s silence.

He did us a solid... guessing his second go around he will be a little be louder about his preferences... its coming soon.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I don't want Danny to trade Sexton. The Young Bull makes us win games. He'll be better than ever in the coming season. Look at his efficiency. Why can't folks see it? He's not like THT who can't shoot the ball in the basket unless he dunks. Sexton is fire. We need him.

He has his shortcomings, but I mostly agree, love his game. He’s not the ball stopper I always thought he was. He’s just so small, not really a pg, and misses passes he should make. He’s not a good defender on size alone. He gives effort though puts pressure on defenses plays bigger than he is on offense, gets to the line and finishes well and a good shooter.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

He did us a solid... guessing his second go around he will be a little be louder about his preferences... its coming soon.

I hope so. Lol

 

[oldtimer]

people should be yelling at the heat. Hero and Robinson are bad contracts and the heat keep thinking they can pawn them off on other teams for first round picks. if anything the heat should have to add assets if Hero or Robison are in the deal.
Portland should involve other teams. tell Dame he is still loved and you want to make him happy, but the trade offer has to make sense. Dame will understand he is better than Hero and Robinson and he will understand their contracts suck. it will eventually work itself out. no need to freak out.

 

[TheStormofWar]

people should be yelling at the heat. Hero and Robinson are bad contracts and the heat keep thinking they can pawn them off on other teams for first round picks. if anything the heat should have to add assets if Hero or Robison are in the deal.
Portland should involve other teams. tell Dame he is still loved and you want to make him happy, but the trade offer has to make sense. Dame will understand he is better than Hero and Robinson and he will understand their contracts suck. it will eventually work itself out. no need to freak out.

The thing is, in a vaccum, Herro isn't an awful contract. He's a 25 yo 20/5/5 player who shoots pretty efficiently and has improved his defense. The primary issue is Herro plays a common enough position and Utah doesn't really need (a) Herro uniless we're shipping Sexy and Collins.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not a Herro guy and I agree with the anti Herro stuff, but he is definitely better than Clarkson.

He doesn't have the wild self creation ability of Clarkson, but he takes much better shots than Clarkson does and doesn't have trouble getting those shots off.

The argument for getting Herro would be that you can increase his value as he ages and his contract will look decent with how big these deals are getting.

Danny seems to like buying low on these kind of talents.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The thing is, in a vaccum, Herro isn't an awful contract. He's a 25 yo 20/5/5 player who shoots pretty efficiently and has improved his defense. The primary issue is Herro plays a common enough position and Utah doesn't really need (a) Herro uniless we're shipping Sexy and Collins.

Every indication is Utah is working overtime to ship out Sexton

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Herro to SA makes some sense.. provide a mix of expirings and just savings with like the Toronto first they have and a couple seconds if more is needed. Portland ends up getting 3 firsts... couple swaps... get out of jail free card on Nurk (and the backend of Dame's deal) and they get Jacquez and Jovic as young prospects.

Its fair... Dame ain't KD and he ain't no spring chicken like Donovan. I doubt a team throws out 4 firsts and takes Nurk's deal for a disgruntled Damian.

 

[sip]

The Norm Powell/Covington/Nance deals they did dropped them under the tax and netted them what? Keon Johnson?

They played scared... waiting way to long to do the CJ/Dame breakup... unwilling to move Sharpe or Simons or the 3rd pick. Those are likely the smart moves for the franchise long term... but are playing the middle of the road. They owe like one lotto protected pick but haven't put any other draft capital on the table. Sold off Hart for a pick.

The Powell and Covington deal cleared the capspace for Grant.

Getting a 1st for Hart was the smart move for a guy that was likely opting out and you lose for nothing.

Tell me a move that they missed out on that could have taken them to legit contender status. I don't remember seeing anything over the years where I was thinking they missed out. Pretty much his entire tenure with the blazers they have always spent a lot of money and made a ton of trades to try and get a championship. These last few years have been a struggle but they went into both seasons intending to compete and it just didn't work out but ended up turning into a best case scenario. I think they got 2 possible superstars that can allow Lillard to compete for titles late into his career. Both guys should be big contributors this season and borderline all star by the next year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Powell and Covington deal cleared the capspace for Grant.

Getting a 1st for Hart was the smart move for a guy that was likely opting out and you lose for nothing.

Tell me a move that they missed out on that could have taken them to legit contender status. I don't remember seeing anything over the years where I was thinking they missed out. Pretty much his entire tenure with the blazers they have always spent a lot of money and made a ton of trades to try and get a championship. These last few years have been a struggle but they went into both seasons intending to compete and it just didn't work out but ended up turning into a best case scenario. I think they got 2 possible superstars that can allow Lillard to compete for titles late into his career. Both guys should be big contributors this season and borderline all star by the next year.

I mean they traded for Grant so didn't need space to do that. The cap space was helpful but not necessary. They passed up an OG for Sharpe trade supposedly. Naming every hypothetical trade they could have done has no value at all. Its quite simple though... there is a lot they could have done... Olshey wasn't great and Cronin has a pretty limited hand.

I'm just saying it isn't like they emptied the clip to make it work and he's leaving em high and dry... he didn't make them do the Lebron where they go scorched earth then he bails. They were really passive and ended up slowly withering away. Dame ain't perfect but he didn't grumble too much when they shut him down multiple times to tank... he gave them a shot to make a trade and I get why they didn't... it isn't in their best interest... so now Dame gets to do what's in his best interest and work his way to a team that can compete. They may not get the megahaul but they won't get "screwed".

I'm not sure what is even a fair deal in an open market for him. KD got Bridges, Johnson and 4 firsts... but KD is a much better player/star. Is 4 firsts the fair price? If so Miami can get in that ballpark with 2 firsts, 3 swaps, Jaquez, Jovic, assuming Nurk's deal, and getting a first for Herro somewhere.

Like is Brooklyn offering 4 firsts they have and Ben Simmons? Are they going higher than that? Will they assume Nurk?

Is Utah going 4 firsts with Sexton and expirings? They assuming Nurk?

Its just not that much different imo than what teams would give up. 75% of the board would lose their mind if we gave up 4 firsts for Dame. I'm just not sure his market value without the campaign to get to Miami is all that different than what they will end up getting. If Miami is holding out any of their good draft stuff or prospects and are unwilling to take back Nurkic... then I can see them finding a better offer outside of Miami... if not it will be in the same ballpark.