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Eat yer damn crow.

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
1 there’s a reason for that. He sucks and he’s got one of the worst contracts.

2. See my no. 1 statement. No one wants to take him and his 25million for 3 years and give their star or whatever.

3. Exactly. They don’t want to win games, he’s blocking Hendricks. A rookie who could be getting valuable experience and help us lose. It was a bad trade all a round and bad management because it was a win now move and a bad one at that, now eat yer damn crow!!!
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So he's helping us win? Since the opposite is playing Hendricks, which you say will help us lose.

So your argument is we traded for a good player who helps us win too much?
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Not under this new staff

Lmao, no he’s not!!! Hard to take you seriously with this comment. His defense is atrocious and what about his demeanor, screams enforcer like he’s Charles Oakley or something.
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He’s got a quiet physical confidence and definitely not afraid to take the charge or get up in anybody’s face. He’s a little like Sexton in that regard only a bigger version. You don’t see that?
 
Ron Mexico said:
So he's helping us win? Since the opposite is playing Hendricks, which you say will help us lose.

So your argument is we traded for a good player who helps us win too much?
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Don’t be a damn idiot. The point is that a rookie needs experience and is going to make rookie mistakes helping us lose even more. Think McFly!!!
 
Release the Kraken said:
He’s got a quiet physical confidence and definitely not afraid to take the charge or get up in anybody’s face. He’s a little like Sexton in that regard only a bigger version. You don’t see that?
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He’s not anything like Sexton and haven’t seen him get in anyone’s face. Just stop. He’s not anything close to an enforcer, plus an enforcer isn’t someone that just gets in someone’s face. That’s called not acting your age. An enforcer is someone that plays gritty and throws hard fouls around and the teams voice and leader and cheerleader and guy that wants to guard the best player. None of that describes Collins
 
Not sure why @Thee Idiotic Minivan K thinks he was on an island here but yeah the Collins trade was pretty bad from day one. He only fits in a few types of situations. Anyone defending it doesn’t really understand what we could have done with an extra 26M in cap space each offseason for the next three years. Dumb waste of resources.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Neither does much to help us win but a rookie doesn’t generally make many winning plays but makes a lot more losing plays then someone that’s been in the league as long as Collins
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John doesn’t help us win in a meaningful way. That’s the problem… it’s 26m in cap to have a mid player. If we win 3 more games by playing him over Taylor who gives an eff.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I still like the trade. He's a solid player on a contract that's good for trade. His shot is back and he's a good rebounder. He's got put in bad roles at times but hopefully the coaching staff is learning. He can't defend at center.
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He just doesnt fit on a team with Walker Kessler.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
John doesn’t help us win in a meaningful way. That’s the problem… it’s 26m in cap to have a mid player. If we win 3 more games by playing him over Taylor who gives an eff.
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Ya that’s basically my point. There’s a reason he was on the trade block for so long till finally they were willing to take a bag of chips for him. It also makes me lol when people argue we can use his salary to make a big trade. Some hilarious ****.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure why @Thee Idiotic Minivan K thinks he was on an island here but yeah the Collins trade was pretty bad from day one. He only fits in a few types of situations. Anyone defending it doesn’t really understand what we could have done with an extra 26M in cap space each offseason for the next three years. Dumb waste of resources.
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Pretty close to it. I’ve argued with a ton over the last few years when people would bring him up.
 
This board has to hate someone. I guess it should be the 6'9 guy who shoots 40% from 3 and brings in 8 boards game and who plays decent defense when he isn't asked to be a center. Hate having those types on the team. His contract isn't hurting us at all even if he comes off the bench.
 
Ron Mexico said:
This board has to hate someone. I guess it should be the 6'9 guy who shoots 40% from 3 and brings in 8 boards game and who plays decent defense when he isn't asked to be a center. Hate having those types on the team. His contract isn't hurting us at all even if he comes off the bench.
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He's just such a milquetoast player he's boring to watch.
 
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