The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[The Thriller]

I thought Zelensky was a Nazi? So Ukraine losing is a good thing, right? So why are the same folks who called zelensky a bad evil Nazi guy upset that he’s losing? Or is Putin the bad guy? I wish these trolls would make up their minds other than:

fart Biden bad Trump good must troll normal Americans. Fart

 

[The Thriller]

It's also been pretty standard tactical warfare for centuries. Take out the enemy's supply lines. Means for energy production and funding qualifies. Those are great targets frankly. If they have this drone capability they should be going after electricity generation and oil refinery as well as the oil fields directly.

100 percent this

Especially since House Republicans seem dedicated to block any military aid to Ukraine. Sadly, I think we’re going to have to wait until democrats retake the House, hold the senate and White House for any hope of additional aid. The margin of error is slim because if republicans retake any of these chambers, they’ll be incentivized to block it (after all, it’ll trigger the left. Liberal tears yum)

 

[Rubashov]

It's also been pretty standard tactical warfare for centuries. Take out the enemy's supply lines. Means for energy production and funding qualifies. Those are great targets frankly. If they have this drone capability they should be going after electricity generation and oil refinery as well as the oil fields directly.

deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure like power stations and water supplies can be considered a war crime.

 

[The Thriller]

deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure like power stations and water supplies can be considered a war crime.

Russia has been doing this since day 1. I have no problem if Ukraine responds in kind. Although, I think one could make the argument that civilian casualties in Russian cities might have a rally around the flag effect, boosting support for Putin and his illegal war temporarily.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

lol!

I wish some on here could make up their minds:
1. Is Biden a dementia ridden dove?
2. Or angry war mongerer?
He cannot be both.

He cannot be both if he is calling the shots, which he isn't. Biden is a dementia-ridden old man who is the figurehead for an administration facilitating war.

 

[Rubashov]

Russia has been doing this since day 1. I have no problem if Ukraine responds in kind. Although, I think one could make the argument that civilian casualties in Russian cities might have a rally around the flag effect, boosting support for Putin and his illegal war temporarily.

Everyone does it, including the US, I'm just saying it can be considered a war crime.

 

[LogGrad98]

deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure like power stations and water supplies can be considered a war crime.

Can be. But if it can be shown to be central to military infrastructure it's valid. Can't take out substations in downtown Moscow but you can take out plants supporting military bases even if ancillary effects hit the civilian population.

 

[Rubashov]

Can be. But if it can be shown to be central to military infrastructure it's valid. Can't take out substations in downtown Moscow but you can take out plants supporting military bases even if ancillary effects hit the civilian population.

Where does Allied area bombing during WWII fit in this?



One of my absolute favourite films ever.

 

[Sardines]

Trump simultaneously kept Russia in their box, kept Iran in their box, and brought the Abraham Accords into existence. For as many faults as Trump has, and he does have many, he had the best record on foreign policy achievements of any US President since the end of the cold war.

By what actions?

Our simply by virtue of being POTUS?

 

[LogGrad98]

Where does Allied area bombing during WWII fit in this?



One of my absolute favourite films ever.

You realize most of the "rules" around warfare came about from the crap done in WWII, on all sides.

 

[Rubashov]

You realize most of the "rules" around warfare came about from the crap done in WWII, on all sides.

It actually significantly predates the second world war but the rules and laws in regard to war have changed over time dating back to the time of chivalry. The problem with international law and the rules of war is that they are not really enforceable or more accurately are selectively enforced. Im actually surprised that American serviceman have been tried for war crimes committed during the war on terror, i had assumed that the last significant convictions had been as a result of the war in the Balkans.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

By what actions?

Our simply by virtue of being POTUS?

Trump being POTUS may have played a part due to nobody being sure what he'd do, but the list of actions taken to keep Russia off balance is long. This single most important one was to arm the Ukrainians with lethal weapons, which no US President prior to Trump had ever done. Beyond big moves like that, I'm not sure there was a 60-day stretch anywhere during Trump's Presidency where his administration didn't act is some new way to hamper Russia. Here is a list from the extremely centrist Brookings that cataloged actions in 2017, 2018, and 2019.

On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia | Brookings

What has the administration actually done on Russia? Below is a chronological list of its actions and official statements since January 20, 2017. During that period, the administration has taken 27 actions on Russia.

www.brookings.edu

Trump's time in the White House consisted of a lot of smiling and saying something nice about Putin while knifing him in the ribs. Mostly the American media ignored the pool of blood and multiple oozing stab wounds on Trump's favorite pin cushion to fixate on how nice Trump was being in his comments towards dictators. It wasn't dumb coincidence that Russia was quiet during Trump's time in the White House.

 

[Red]

You act as if Zelensky wants war. You act as if seeing their young men drafted and killed is what makes Ukraine happy.

Actually, pretty sure I was simply providing a point of view; you’re not good at “digging deeper” into other respondent’s minds, I’ve pointed that out on other occasions. I should hope nobody WANTS war.

I don’t have to ask myself why would Biden not want Trump to be president again. And it’s not just because he’s the other candidate. I do believe he feels just as I do about that prospect. Strongly, as an American who does care about his country.

What might help mitigate asking Ukraine not to help gas prices reach for the sky in an election year, and tie Ukraine hands on these effective drone weapons, is if the MAGA controlled House would at least take up and pass more aid for Ukraine. But it’s personal for Trump, Zelensky is a bad man, he did not respect the stable genius, impeachment and that nasty attempt to hold a president accountable. And besides, pleasing Putin inflates Trump’s self image. “Me and Vladimir are Big Shots”. Of course, that’s not quite how most Americans visualize their president, eager to please murderous tyrants, but here we are.

Instead, we have MTG addressing the subject in front of a bevy of reporters recording the every word of a nitwit. A nitwit with power in the House, using her not-so-genius IQ to support the once and would be future stable genius president’s plans to blow up our foreign policy and alliances. I know something is deeply wrong when MTG is holding court on what America’s policy toward Ukraine and Russia must be.

I think helping Ukraine, standing up against Putin, and keeping Trump out of power in the US, are all important goals for Biden. He can’t reach those goals if he loses a mere 8 months from now. And all those goals are in the trash bin if Trump wins. Surely Ukraine knows MAGA is not their friend, as much as Biden is trying to defeat MAGA’s leader.

 

[Red]

He cannot be both if he is calling the shots, which he isn't. Biden is a dementia-ridden old man who is the figurehead for an administration facilitating war.

Easy to understand your position, if that is what you believe. I don’t believe that at all. I don’t doubt Biden’s staff worries about verbal gaffes, and likely wish he could walk without looking so frail(funny how frailty can convey “unqualified, too old”, when walking slow is not a cognitive function). Biden’s goals: keep Trump out of power in the United States. Do not allow that man to become president again. Boy, does that convey a different tone, and sense of urgency, that few of our elections have reflected before. Prevent Trump 2.0 has to be a top priority at this stage. Biden’s an intelligent man. And all the world leaders he has met, at home and abroad, I have not yet seen any leaks, to the effect: “OMG, how did the American people elect this man!!! His mind is completely shot!! God, I never realized he was this far gone!”. I don’t believe Biden is so mentally incapacitated as you apparently believe.

 

[LogGrad98]

Eh, everyone who cares about the actual planet should want war. We are a plague on the natural world. Anything to cull the herd is just a win for nature really. Save the planet... Eliminate the humans!

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What might help mitigate asking Ukraine not to help gas prices reach for the sky in an election year, and tie Ukraine hands on these effective drone weapons, is if the MAGA controlled House would at least take up and pass more aid for Ukraine. But it’s personal for Trump, Zelensky is a bad man...

This is where I think you are deeply misreading the situation and projecting. It is the opposite of personal. Trump will work even with people he hates. The problem with the $60 billion Ukraine aid package is the question of what it buys.

The United States has poured far more into Ukraine already so we do have some idea of how far $60 billion will go, and the answer is ‘not that far’. It won’t put Ukraine over the hump to secure victory. It isn’t even enough to pay for a good counter-offensive. $60 billion is enough to stabilize the lines to keep the war going. The Ukraine aid package as currently structured buys more war with no off-ramp in sight. That plan is mohr meatgrinder.

The alternative isn’t to let Russia overrun Ukraine as the pro-meatgrinder crowd like yourself pretend it is. Instead it would be to freeze the lines, formally recognize Crimea and the Donbass as Russian territory, remove the war-imposed international sanctions against Russia, and congratulate them for their hard-fought victory. To Ukraine, we’d congratulate them for holding off a former superpower who is 8 times their size, make them part of the European Union, draft them into NATO so it never happens again, and commit to spending a trillion dollars rebuilding their infrastructure while we build a massive new American military base in Ukraine as a deterrent.

There would also be a stick to nudge the Russians into accepting the win-win-win end of the war. We tell Russia that if they didn’t take the deal then we’d be hands-off *coughactivlyworkingwiththemcough* when it came to drones taking out Russian oil infrastructure. Russia wouldn’t have a single working refinery, oil depot, or pipeline anywhere in the country. We’d also let China and India know that was the plan so if they still want to get cheap oil from Russia then they should do what they can to convince their comrade to take the deal.

The alternative would cost more money, but it is a plan that isn’t mohr meatgrinder, and Russia wins, and Ukraine wins by being in a far more powerful economic environment, and America wins. The money goes to something constructive, but so long as we have the Biden administration it is just mohr meatgrinder. Biden is a friend of war.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

By what actions?

Our simply by virtue of being POTUS?

On the flip side, I can give you an example right now of how the Biden administration has completely f’d something up with his garbage messaging and the world is a less safe place because of it right now.

Biden has real electoral problems in Michigan and Minnesota due to a highly anti-Semitic immigrant population there. To appeal to those voters, Biden has become loudly critical of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Biden has demanded to review the plans for the attack on Rafah, easing of restrictions in Northern Gaza, and an increase of aid. Israel has done those things but Biden says it is not enough and Israel must do more. Biden has to say that. If he says Israel has done enough then the Rafah attack instantly becomes 'Biden’s approved Rafah attack'. Biden has put himself in a position where he cannot support Israel or he owns their actions.

Iran has seen that Biden is in a position where he cannot support Israel and so Iran is getting ready to go to war against Israel. It is serious enough that Iran closed their airspace to all aircraft for “military drills” so the missiles being aimed at Israel don’t accidently his some airliner by mistake.

Now the Biden administration has had to do a 180 to reaffirm the ironclad support of Israel.

Biden vows 'ironclad' support for Israel amid Iran attack fears

"We're going to do all we can to protect Israel's security," Mr Biden said amid growing fears of retaliation.

www.bbc.com

Biden vows ‘ironclad’ US commitment to Israel amid fears of Iran attack

US president and allied officials fear ‘significant’ strike within days in retaliation for Israeli bombing of consular building in Damascus

www.theguardian.com

President Poopypants needlessly painted himself into a corner by demanding to be in a position of judgement and missiles are ready to fly because of it. If you like war then Biden is your guy. Obama's Defense Secretary Robert Gates nailed it perfectly when he said "I think [Joe Biden] has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades"

Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years

"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden in his new book coming out later this month.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Red]

Marjorie Taylor Greene doesn't want to help Ukraine. That's exactly what Russia wants.

The Republican congressional infighting is exactly what Russia's Vladimir Putin wants as he continues his war on Ukraine.

www.usatoday.com

‘Moscow Marjorie’: Republican accuses Greene of irresponsible Ukraine rhetoric

Former congressman Ken Buck says Marjorie Taylor Greene gets ‘her talking points from the Kremlin’ when opposing Ukraine aid

www.theguardian.com

Moscow Marge…

Former FBI official accuses Marjorie Taylor Greene of spreading foreign propaganda

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is spreading the propaganda of American adversaries on social media, knowing those countries will amplify her messages for impact they wouldn’t otherwise have, said the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s former assistant director for counterintelligence. In...

www.rawstory.com

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is spreading the propaganda of American adversaries on social media, knowing those countries will amplify her messages for impact they wouldn’t otherwise have, said the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s former assistant director for counterintelligence.

In Monday’s debut of The Defiant Podcast with Brooklyn Dad Defiant, shared in advance with Raw Story, Frank Figliuzzi tells host Majid Padellan, “What we’ve caught Russia and China doing … is they’ll take a statement from Marjorie Taylor Green — or someone like her, someone who doesn’t deserve a particular amount of attention — and then those foreign intelligence services amplify it across social media.

“So she has immediate amplifying support out there. She knows when she spouts something ridiculous there’s going to be foreign adversaries who blow up her message so we can’t avoid it.”

 

[SteakNEggs]

Bloodthirsty warmongering Democrats are still out in full force. Id like to see where Putin said he was going to take Europe like Blood Red claims. Grown men use childish terms Like Moscow Marge because she doesn't want red's bloodshed and violence. These are some extremely dangerous people. We don't want your war and bloodshed Red. You go fight you hypocrite.

Can any of you pro war Democrats are pro war Republicans explain to me what Bidens plan is for this war? What exactly is his strategy here? @Red just knows it's bloodshed but what is the endgame? How much longer are we going to throw **** at the wall just for nothing? What is Bloodshed Bidens War Loving strategy? Red can blame MTG for the war he created by his vote but can he explain how we are getting out of this war or when it's going to end?

 

[fishonjazz]

Marjorie Taylor Greene doesn't want to help Ukraine. That's exactly what Russia wants.

The Republican congressional infighting is exactly what Russia's Vladimir Putin wants as he continues his war on Ukraine.

www.usatoday.com

‘Moscow Marjorie’: Republican accuses Greene of irresponsible Ukraine rhetoric

Former congressman Ken Buck says Marjorie Taylor Greene gets ‘her talking points from the Kremlin’ when opposing Ukraine aid

www.theguardian.com

Moscow Marge…

Former FBI official accuses Marjorie Taylor Greene of spreading foreign propaganda

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is spreading the propaganda of American adversaries on social media, knowing those countries will amplify her messages for impact they wouldn’t otherwise have, said the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s former assistant director for counterintelligence. In...

www.rawstory.com

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) is spreading the propaganda of American adversaries on social media, knowing those countries will amplify her messages for impact they wouldn’t otherwise have, said the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s former assistant director for counterintelligence.

In Monday’s debut of The Defiant Podcast with Brooklyn Dad Defiant, shared in advance with Raw Story, Frank Figliuzzi tells host Majid Padellan, “What we’ve caught Russia and China doing … is they’ll take a statement from Marjorie Taylor Green — or someone like her, someone who doesn’t deserve a particular amount of attention — and then those foreign intelligence services amplify it across social media.

“So she has immediate amplifying support out there. She knows when she spouts something ridiculous there’s going to be foreign adversaries who blow up her message so we can’t avoid it.”

She is right though. I mean Putin hasn't said he is going to march across all of Europe and conquer every country so why should we care if he just conquers a few?

I mean let's say a country marched into the US to conquer us. Who cares? It's not like they are going to march across all of North America and conquer the whole thing.

We should only care or get involved if a country wants to invade and conquer an entire continent. If countries are simply invading and conquering other countries then that is totally fine. Little wars are ok. We should just worry about big ones. Marge is smart

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