The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[fishonjazz]

It's almost like douchebag thinks that what the jury should have done is once they deliberated for 2 days and reviewed a bunch of the evidence and discussed the verdict and saw that trump was guilty of all charges...... At that point they should have been like "hey guys, if we all say he is guilty then that will raise eyebrows and make people think he is actually innocent so let's just have a few of us say not guilty. That way people will think he is actually guilty or something"

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[Rubashov]

Yep. It totally raised my eyebrows. Like holy ****, Donald is obviously guilty as ****!

For you it raised your eyebrows like, yep he is obviously innocent if all the jurors believe he was guilty. It's really weird.

I would be more likely to think he was Innocent if the jurors had mixed decisions.

It's so weird. All the jurors agree that Donald was guilty. Rather than that fact making you believe he is guilty you seem to be more willing to accept his guilt if some of the jurors said he was innocent. That is pretty strange.

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Trump should be in prison for what happened on January 6, nearly 4 years later he's not seen the inside of a court room or been charged for his two bit insurrection. He should have been charged with treason and hung at the end of a rope.

 

[Sardines]

Trump should be in prison for what happened on January 6, nearly 4 years later he's not seen the inside of a court room or been charged for his two bit insurrection. He should have been charged with treason and hung at the end of a rope.

Is crazy how immediately after everyone was shocked but within a few days Trump supporters and the spineless Republican politicians were on board with the "they were just tourists" *********.

People here now downplay it like it was nothing. It wasn't successful so no harm no foul.

 

[Rubashov]

Is crazy how immediately after everyone was shocked but within a few days Trump supporters and the spineless Republican politicians were on board with the "they were just tourists" *********.

People here now downplay it like it was nothing. It wasn't successful so no harm no foul.

I've been thinking about a comparative example from history of other similar democracies the closest I can think of is the dismissal of the Whitlam government in 1975. It isn't even that comparative because Whitlam was actually elected. A series of events triggered a constitutional crisis, the elected Labor government of Gough Whitlam was dismissed by the unelected queens representative in what amounted to little more than a coup. (Its a long story at its heart is the British and American ownership of the mineral wealth of this country but I will spare all ) The night of the coup thousands of Australians took to the streets to protest, the trade union movement was prepared to call a general strike until the elected government was reinstated. The elected parliament was dissolved and a conservative government put in place until an election could be held 4 and a half weeks later. The deposed Prime Minister took to the nations airways that night to plead for calm and asked Australians to return home, confident that the government would be returned at the ballot box. Comparing the actions of Trump to the actions of a real leader and statesman is stark. (I've been trying to find a full copy of his speech, I heard it at Uni but haven't been able to find it, its a brilliant piece of oratory delivered from the steps of Parliament House.)

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Trump should be in prison for what happened on January 6, nearly 4 years later he's not seen the inside of a court room or been charged for his two bit insurrection. He should have been charged with treason and hung at the end of a rope.

this 100 % This issue and the current dodgy paperwork one are chalk and cheese.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

He committed crimes. He was tried. He was found guilty on all counts.

My favorite part of your post was "Would folks have been just fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to “Re-elect Donald Trump, MAGA forever!”? Absolutely not."

This is hilarious because you say that the classified documents case is a big deal. The judge in that case indefinitely postponed the start of the trial. You know, the same judge that Donald Trump appointed. I have yet to see you say that this is an issue. You should be shouting from the rooftops that she should recuse herself from the case. But alas, crickets. Again, there is a pattern here.

Also:

Not only is the speaker or the house a lawyer but...........

"I think that the justices on the court – I know many of them personally– I think they’re deeply concerned about that, as we are."
In theory, the case eventually could be taken up by the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, due to three justices which were nominated to the bench by the former president.

So nothing wrong with maga Mike trying to get the supreme Court, whom he has personal relationships with and whom the convicted felon appointed 3 of them to, to go ahead and overturn this conviction for their friend who is house speaker and for their other friend who gave them their jobs and happens to be the defendant.

Yep, totally on the up and up. No conflict of interest there.

I'm sure this makes you very upset. So upset that you never ever mention it. More crickets from you.

It would be so easy for you to quote this post and simply say "both of those things are huge conflicts of interest". You dont though. More of that pattern I have been talking about


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dude you're the one who's got his panties in a knot halfway up his clacker. I know sweet FA about the supreme court stuff so i haven't commented but yeah for sure that's a very uncomfortable conflict of interest if Trump expects them to reverse a decision for him when he's appointed some of them.

You are so irrational and tbh pretty hysterical when it comes to Trump which is fine, however i do object to you trying to label me this or that or tell me what i actually think when i point out something that is a curiosity or that i think is wrong. Like Rubashov said i think Trump should have been incarcerated for the horrific Jan 6 events waaaayy before this. And the classified documents again is a very very serious offence. This other stuff pffftttt is petty compared to the seriousness of that. So the judge in that case was appointed by Trump .. ??? so what ?? How do you think that's an issue compared to a judge who's specifically donated to and is ideologically on record as supporting the accused criminal's political opponent ? That you can't even say that is a serious conflict of interest shows that you have totally lost all ability for reasoned thinking when it comes to the orange turkey.

If you can't debate things rationally without resorting to personal insults and put downs i'm disappointed and surprised. I would've thought you're better than that. I won't reply to anything else in these political threads to you, i hope the next 6-12 months in the US isn't as unstable and awful as i fear it might be. I'll see you in the actual Jazz threads

 

[FalseFlagg K]

I've been thinking about a comparative example from history of other similar democracies the closest I can think of is the dismissal of the Whitlam government in 1975. It isn't even that comparative because Whitlam was actually elected. A series of events triggered a constitutional crisis, the elected Labor government of Gough Whitlam was dismissed by the unelected queens representative in what amounted to little more than a coup. (Its a long story at its heart is the British and American ownership of the mineral wealth of this country but I will spare all ) The night of the coup thousands of Australians took to the streets to protest, the trade union movement was prepared to call a general strike until the elected government was reinstated. The elected parliament was dissolved and a conservative government put in place until an election could be held 4 and a half weeks later. The deposed Prime Minister took to the nations airways that night to plead for calm and asked Australians to return home, confident that the government would be returned at the ballot box. Comparing the actions of Trump to the actions of a real leader and statesman is stark. (I've been trying to find a full copy of his speech, I heard it at Uni but haven't been able to find it, its a brilliant piece of oratory delivered from the steps of Parliament House.)

they don't make em like they made Gough W anymore

 

[FalseFlagg K]

What would I take away from that to raise my eyebrows? What are you suggesting happened in the jury room?

Anyway, if you're interested. Explains how these charges were elevated to felonies. Hint: they didn't invent any of this for Trump. These laws have been on the books far a long long time.

- this is a pretty comical presentation stylistically. George Costanza doesn't exactly provide much to the arguement. The attempt to define "influence the election" seems bizarre in the way that the linking from one type of crime to another undefined crime was made, and it is the first time this exact mechanism has been attempted. Anyway i'll stick to our bet when it gets to whatever appeal process is finalized ??

I still reckon he'll get a jail sentence, which would be fabulous entertainment

 

[Rubashov]

they don't make em like they made Gough W anymore

Great, great man, so many people owe him so much too this day.

 

[fishonjazz]

dude you're the one who's got his panties in a knot halfway up his clacker. I know sweet FA about the supreme court stuff so i haven't commented but yeah for sure that's a very uncomfortable conflict of interest if Trump expects them to reverse a decision for him when he's appointed some of them.

You are so irrational and tbh pretty hysterical when it comes to Trump which is fine, however i do object to you trying to label me this or that or tell me what i actually think when i point out something that is a curiosity or that i think is wrong. Like Rubashov said i think Trump should have been incarcerated for the horrific Jan 6 events waaaayy before this. And the classified documents again is a very very serious offence. This other stuff pffftttt is petty compared to the seriousness of that. So the judge in that case was appointed by Trump .. ??? so what ?? How do you think that's an issue compared to a judge who's specifically donated to and is ideologically on record as supporting the accused criminal's political opponent ? That you can't even say that is a serious conflict of interest shows that you have totally lost all ability for reasoned thinking when it comes to the orange turkey.

If you can't debate things rationally without resorting to personal insults and put downs i'm disappointed and surprised. I would've thought you're better than that. I won't reply to anything else in these political threads to you, i hope the next 6-12 months in the US isn't as unstable and awful as i fear it might be. I'll see you in the actual Jazz threads

I think the biggest difference here is that the judge that trump appointed who is presiding over the classified documents case is literally deciding his guilt or innocence currently. She is not going to allow trump to go to trial. She isn't going to let a jury see any evidence. She won't let witnesses be called. She won't let evidence be presented. She has decided that trump will remain innocent of any and all charges by not allowing trump to go to trial.



The judge presiding over the falsified hush money payments presided over the case. The lawyers litigated the case. Witnesses were called. Evidence was provided. The jury decided trumps guilt.

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[Sardines]

- this is a pretty comical presentation stylistically. George Costanza doesn't exactly provide much to the arguement. The attempt to define "influence the election" seems bizarre in the way that the linking from one type of crime to another undefined crime was made, and it is the first time this exact mechanism has been attempted. Anyway i'll stick to our bet when it gets to whatever appeal process is finalized ??

I still reckon he'll get a jail sentence, which would be fabulous entertainment

This mechanism has existed for a long long time and yet no other misdemeanor was ever elevated to a felony if the misdemeanor was committed with the intent to commit other crimes? I don't believe that for a second.

For people reading along, the Trump fraud was elevated to a felony because not only was it fraud, but the fraud was was done in order to facilitate other crimes. This is NOT uncommon. They proved that the fraud was done in order to facilitate other crimes and that it was all done intentionally.

If I steal a candy bar that is a crime but a fairly minor misdemeanor. If I walk out of the store with my stolen candy bar while making a finger gun in my jacket pocket pointed towards the cashier I have now committed armed robbery. See how smaller crimes can be elevated? It is not something they invented to get Trump.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This mechanism has existed for a long long time and yet no other misdemeanor was ever elevated to a felony if the misdemeanor was committed with the intent to commit other crimes? I don't believe that for a second.

For people reading along, the Trump fraud was elevated to a felony because not only was it fraud, but the fraud was was done in order to facilitate other crimes. This is NOT uncommon. They proved that the fraud was done in order to facilitate other crimes and that it was all done intentionally.

If I steal a candy bar that is a crime but a fairly minor misdemeanor. If I walk out of the store with my stolen candy bar while making a finger gun in my jacket pocket pointed towards the cashier I have now committed armed robbery. See how smaller crimes can be elevated? It is not something they invented to get Trump.

All this defending for what? Trump? All of this spin for a spoiled, narcissistic, effeminate, racist man who couldn’t give a **** about his supporters? No one here defending him has benefited in any way from his presidency. Yet, they’ll defend him like no other politician or religious figure in their lifetimes.

You don’t see anyone dressing up as Hunter Biden. No one is calling the charges against Senator Menendez to be politically motivated. No one defending Trump would be defending Biden, Clinton, or Obama. Yet, they’ll spin, lie, and defend a serial liar, criminal, and sewage bag because… of what? What they perceive he represents? Because of the white grievance he feeds them?


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[Sardines]

All this defending for what? Trump? All of this spin for a spoiled, narcissistic, effeminate, racist man who couldn’t give a **** about his supporters? No one here defending him has benefited in any way from his presidency. Yet, they’ll defend him like no other politician or religious figure in their lifetimes.

You don’t see anyone dressing up as Hunter Biden. No one is calling the charges against Senator Menendez to be politically motivated. No one defending Trump would be defending Biden, Clinton, or Obama. Yet, they’ll spin, lie, and defend a serial liar, criminal, and sewage bag because… of what? What they perceive he represents? Because of the white grievance he feeds them?


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But aren't you afraid that if Trump is held accountable for his crimes then any politician could be held accountable for their crimes?

I say with an entirely straight face.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

But aren't you afraid that if Trump is held accountable for his crimes then any politician could be held accountable for their crimes?

I say with an entirely straight face.

lol you don't think every single sitting member of congress or the senate would have something you could prosecute if you dug deep enough for long enough ??

I mean insider trading there is a joke. Half your politicians should be in jail for insider trading if everything was investigated and prosecuted no ??

 

[Sardines]

lol you don't think every single sitting member of congress or the senate would have something you could prosecute if you dug deep enough for long enough ??

I mean insider trading there is a joke. Half your politicians should be in jail for insider trading if everything was investigated and prosecuted no ??

If that's true, prosecute them all! ALL. OF. THEM.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

If that's true, prosecute them all! ALL. OF. THEM.

"if that's true" dude they've ALL got their snouts in the trough Both sides

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Trump should be in prison for what happened on January 6, nearly 4 years later he's not seen the inside of a court room or been charged for his two bit insurrection. He should have been charged with treason and hung at the end of a rope.

speaking of who should be in prison i was talking to a bloke who used to be a reporter for the Age last week and did a lot of the legwork in the investigation into the robodebt scheme. How the effing hell there haven't been criminal charges resulting from that abominable scheme beggars belief

 

[Sardines]

"if that's true" dude they've ALL got their snouts in the trough Both sides

There needs to be specific evidence of a specific crime in order to prosecute. Most of them are pros and such evidence doesn't exist.

"If that's true" can be interpreted, "if you can prove that in court."

 

[FalseFlagg K]

There needs to be specific evidence of a specific crime in order to prosecute. Most of them are pros and such evidence doesn't exist.

"If that's true" can be interpreted, "if you can prove that in court."

well it can but i think it's more closely related to "if the will is there to go down that path" in that particular case

 

[Sardines]

well it can but i think it's more closely related to "if the will is there to go down that path" in that particular case

The will is there for me, that's what I'm saying.