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Al-O-Meter said:
We, the United States, are lucky it wasn't worse, and everyone in that Signal group should have known better.

Chuck Schumer warned them eight years ago that this was a possibility when he said “Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you.”
https://nypost.com/2017/01/11/schumer-predicted-intelligence-officials-would-get-back-at-trump/

Jeffery Goldberg is one of the harshest critics of the Trump administration with the largest platform. The chances that particular journalist was added inadvertently to the Signal group are nonexistent. Someone who had gained access to National Security Advisor Michael Walz's Signal account added Jeffery Goldberg, and it wasn't Michael Walz.

I predict the one who used Michael Walz's Signal account to add Jeffery Goldberg to that group will never be discovered as those in the US government whose job it is to know how such a thing could be facilitated will strangely be unable to find the culprit.
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Lmao.

Even if your fantastical conspiracy were somehow true, that would only make this look marginally better for Waltz and everyone else in that chat. They still would have been using insecure communication channels and, hilariously, still didn't notice that there was a random other person in the chat the whole time.

Or to put it another way - in order for the conspiracy to succeed, Hegseth, Vance, and the rest of those in the chat would still have to display rank incompetence not to immediately sniff it out.

Also, Goldberg is a very well known and well connected journalist (yes, even well connected to those within the Trump admin). It is not surprising in the least that his contact info was in Waltz's phone, and from there the scandal was just a fat finger away.
 
Zombie said:
Lmao.

Even if your fantastical conspiracy were somehow true, that would only make this look marginally better for Waltz and everyone else in that chat. They still would have been using insecure communication channels and, hilariously, still didn't notice that there was a random other person in the chat the whole time.

Or to put it another way - in order for the conspiracy to succeed, Hegseth, Vance, and the rest of those in the chat would still have to display rank incompetence not to immediately sniff it out.

Also, Goldberg is a very well known and well connected journalist (yes, even well connected to those within the Trump admin). It is not surprising in the least that his contact info was in Waltz's phone, and from there the scandal was just a fat finger away.
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I'm not sure it'd be any better.

As is I can see a scenario where this was 'just' Waltz fat fingering and nobody was really monitoring these areas prior because it wasn't seen as a serious communication channel (didn't believe they could be this incompetent). Possible to bounce back from (starting by cleaning house at the top).

The alternative of a random well connected journalist knowing about it and being able to social engineer his way in or being gifted access by someone with access to Waltzs account, then 100% China/etc had all the relevant info as well and our top levels of defense are completely compromised to a point I don't think we could come back from.
 
Eminence said:
being gifted access by someone with access to Waltzs account, then 100% China/etc had all the relevant info as well
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Maybe and maybe not. The phones of those in the Signal group were provided to them by the US Government and the responsibility to secure those devices is on the US Government. Provocateurs inside the US Government likely had an advantage in compromising US Government phones that China/etc. may not have had. The breach seems well tailored to be embarrassing without exposing any intelligence gathering methods or personnel. It was maximum damage to those in the Signal group with zero collateral damage beyond those in the Signal group.
 
*Adding on to my above.

I strongly believe it was the Waltz fat-fingers scenario.

I can't believe anyone competent would burn having access to Waltz's info/communications on something like this - needing to hope they say something incriminating in a few days time period whilst not checking who's in the chat for it to be more than a sidenote story (if it was a meme group chat the collective response would be - this is stupid).
 
Red said:
Goldberg has released the texts describing the war plans that Hegseth said were never released. What choice did Gokdberg have, with 3 cabinet members denying war plans or classified info was discussed? Just happened I guess, can’t find any articles as yet….
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If it’s fake news or not classified, then Donald’s admin shouldn’t have any problem with this. After all, it’s all fake/not classified
 
Eminence said:
*Adding on to my above.

I strongly believe it was the Waltz fat-fingers scenario.

I can't believe anyone competent would burn having access to Waltz's info/communications on something like this - needing to hope they say something incriminating in a few days time period whilst not checking who's in the chat for it to be more than a sidenote story (if it was a meme group chat the collective response would be - this is stupid).
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Exactly. You'd have to go through some incredible mental gymnastics to make any sense out of a conspiracy to gain access to the chat. Especially when there's a readily available explanation that's supported by the fact that NONE OF THEM NOTICED GOLDBERG WAS IN THE CHAT: These aren't serious people, and they are all in way above their heads.
 
Eminence said:
I'm not sure it'd be any better.

As is I can see a scenario where this was 'just' Waltz fat fingering and nobody was really monitoring these areas prior because it wasn't seen as a serious communication channel (didn't believe they could be this incompetent). Possible to bounce back from (starting by cleaning house at the top).

The alternative of a random well connected journalist knowing about it and being able to social engineer his way in or being gifted access by someone with access to Waltzs account, then 100% China/etc had all the relevant info as well and our top levels of defense are completely compromised to a point I don't think we could come back from.
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I think it would be better only in the sense that it would be a less funny explanation, and maybe less personally embarrassing for those involved. A security breach due to the actions of a bad actor is a little bit less memeable than a security breach due to rank incompetence.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Sad but true.
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Why would it be sad? Dems never locked up hitlery. What about Benghazi? What about Obama? What about Susan Rice? Was she perfect? Why are Democrat party given such a free pass on everything but we republicans are supposed to have standards?

Pete is doing a great job. He’s putting the military back to sleep from woke and DEI and CRT and renaming bases with the same name of patriotic confederate generals (but naming them after World War I and II generals so not racist tee hee). He’s also serving the greatest leader ever. And he’s a good family man on his third marriage and has dozens of children spread out throughout the world from all of his marriages and rapes.

I’m tired of libs complaining.

We need to bomb the **** out of Houtasia. And lock up that lib scumbags journalist who reported this chat. Besides, what’s wrong with sharing information with our most important allies, Russia and China?
 
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