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He’s just a troll. Block and move on. It’s been months and months since I last read any of his junk.
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Let’s get one thing straight: America wants its manufacturing back. Like a long-lost lover who left for China, Mexico, Vietnam, and India with promises of cheaper labor and more affordable gadgets, we now want it all to come home. And what better way to do that than by slapping some juicy tariffs on imported goods? Now tariff on our friends like Canada and EU too?
Trade wars, we are told, are like that tough love intervention. The goal? Two-fold:
1. Bring back factories to the USA.
2. Fix the trade imbalance, so we’re not always the one picking up the tab at the global dinner table.
Sounds brilliant, right? Like a rom-com script with a happy ending and manufacturing jobs dancing back into Detroit. But wait, before we roll out the red carpet and rename ourselves the United States of Assembly Lines, let’s ask a few questions that no one seemed to answer before starting this global economic drama.
Question #1: Do we even have the factories?
Short answer: Nope. Long answer: NOPE.
China currently does $7.0 trillion worth of manufacturing a year. The U.S.? About $2.5 trillion. That gap is not a pothole—it’s the Grand Canyon. And no, you can’t leap over it with a good ol’ American high five and a patriotic playlist. Do we even need to make these low cost items?
Question #2: Do we have the workers?
Also, not really. Remember when everyone was told to go into tech, finance, or become a YouTuber? Yeah, that didn’t create many machinists or great engineers. But here’s where it gets interesting: robots and AI are catching up. In a few years, we could build smart factories. The question is, are we investing in that? Or just raising prices on toaster ovens and pretending it’s progress?
Meanwhile, back at the checkout counter…
Here’s what actually happens with tariffs:
A product from abroad gets taxed. The government says, “Oh, only 30-60% of that will be passed on to the consumer.” That’s a cute way of saying, “You’re going to pay more for literally everything, but we’ll pretend it’s for your own good.”
Exporters might lower their prices. Importers might cut profits. But let’s be real—neither of those groups like doing that. So guess who ends up holding the bag (or, more accurately, the overpriced bag of rice)? You, dear citizen.
Now, the government collects some of that sweet tariff money. Victory? Sort of. It’s like winning a game of Monopoly by taxing everyone out of the game—then using the money to fund wars or give billionaires a tax cut so they can buy another yacht with a built-in helipad.
Meanwhile, the American middle class is just trying to afford a roll of toilet paper.
Yes, the idea of “Make America Great Again” is noble. But maybe let’s not bulldoze what’s already working just to rebuild it with more expensive bricks. We already dominate in innovation, services, military, AI, and… uh… streaming TV shows. Let’s play to our strengths!
Instead of trade wars, how about trade smarts?
• Invest in smart factories and robot-assisted production.
• Educate the workforce so they’re ready for the jobs of the future, not the 1950s.
• Use AI to make healthcare better (and actually affordable).
• And for the love of all things decent—let people buy affordable toilet paper again.
Let’s not forget—we the USA helped build China’s factories. We trained them, supplied them, outsourced to them, and then got mad when they got good at it. That’s like training someone to play chess, losing, and flipping the board.
Bottom line: No country is richer, nicer or better than America. We send billions and billions of dollars to the world over the years and continue to do so with our tax money! But other countries are all developing; But that doesn’t mean we act like the jealous ex throwing tariffs like tantrums. Let’s not sink our own economy out of spite.
This isn’t just economics. This is therapy. And America needs to talk it out, not tariff it out.
Signed,
A Concerned Citizen with a Receipt from a store That’s 30% More Expensive Than Last Year, 15% down in 401k and watching the world brazen for more financial storms! Love you America just don’t lose your cool image!
Trade wars, we are told, are like that tough love intervention. The goal? Two-fold:
1. Bring back factories to the USA.
2. Fix the trade imbalance, so we’re not always the one picking up the tab at the global dinner table.
Sounds brilliant, right? Like a rom-com script with a happy ending and manufacturing jobs dancing back into Detroit. But wait, before we roll out the red carpet and rename ourselves the United States of Assembly Lines, let’s ask a few questions that no one seemed to answer before starting this global economic drama.
Question #1: Do we even have the factories?
Short answer: Nope. Long answer: NOPE.
China currently does $7.0 trillion worth of manufacturing a year. The U.S.? About $2.5 trillion. That gap is not a pothole—it’s the Grand Canyon. And no, you can’t leap over it with a good ol’ American high five and a patriotic playlist. Do we even need to make these low cost items?
Question #2: Do we have the workers?
Also, not really. Remember when everyone was told to go into tech, finance, or become a YouTuber? Yeah, that didn’t create many machinists or great engineers. But here’s where it gets interesting: robots and AI are catching up. In a few years, we could build smart factories. The question is, are we investing in that? Or just raising prices on toaster ovens and pretending it’s progress?
Meanwhile, back at the checkout counter…
Here’s what actually happens with tariffs:
A product from abroad gets taxed. The government says, “Oh, only 30-60% of that will be passed on to the consumer.” That’s a cute way of saying, “You’re going to pay more for literally everything, but we’ll pretend it’s for your own good.”
Exporters might lower their prices. Importers might cut profits. But let’s be real—neither of those groups like doing that. So guess who ends up holding the bag (or, more accurately, the overpriced bag of rice)? You, dear citizen.
Now, the government collects some of that sweet tariff money. Victory? Sort of. It’s like winning a game of Monopoly by taxing everyone out of the game—then using the money to fund wars or give billionaires a tax cut so they can buy another yacht with a built-in helipad.
Meanwhile, the American middle class is just trying to afford a roll of toilet paper.
Yes, the idea of “Make America Great Again” is noble. But maybe let’s not bulldoze what’s already working just to rebuild it with more expensive bricks. We already dominate in innovation, services, military, AI, and… uh… streaming TV shows. Let’s play to our strengths!
Instead of trade wars, how about trade smarts?
• Invest in smart factories and robot-assisted production.
• Educate the workforce so they’re ready for the jobs of the future, not the 1950s.
• Use AI to make healthcare better (and actually affordable).
• And for the love of all things decent—let people buy affordable toilet paper again.
Let’s not forget—we the USA helped build China’s factories. We trained them, supplied them, outsourced to them, and then got mad when they got good at it. That’s like training someone to play chess, losing, and flipping the board.
Bottom line: No country is richer, nicer or better than America. We send billions and billions of dollars to the world over the years and continue to do so with our tax money! But other countries are all developing; But that doesn’t mean we act like the jealous ex throwing tariffs like tantrums. Let’s not sink our own economy out of spite.
This isn’t just economics. This is therapy. And America needs to talk it out, not tariff it out.
Signed,
A Concerned Citizen with a Receipt from a store That’s 30% More Expensive Than Last Year, 15% down in 401k and watching the world brazen for more financial storms! Love you America just don’t lose your cool image!
Al-O-Meter
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I never stop learning lessons, but I'm also consistent in what I believe. From my very earliest posts on JF, I identified myself as economically neo-liberal. I didn't like tariffs. Now that Trump is the one imposing them, I still don't like tariffs. My dislike of tariffs, or any of the issues I champion, has nothing to do with how I feel about any particular person. I don't have any difficulty using my own words to say why I support a thing. I don't need articles written by other people to speak for me, and I certainly don't feel the need to resort to hurling insults or using block lists.
That I am as blocked by as many as I am isn't because I'm not part of the human race. I think differently from how most on this forum think, and my points are backstopped by deep ideological underpinnings. That won't change, and so I don't predict any change in the way I am treated by those whose own ideas are challenged by what I have to say.
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Crazy how quickly the goal posts moved from “You may not like him but your 401k will” to “You should of been so flush with cash from the previous administration that destroyed our economy that you would of had the foresight to invest enough of those liquid assets after you accurately predicted one of the most massive declines in history and buy at the bottom of the dip to make so much money that it more than covers the losses to your retirement account”. That’s some mental gymnastics.
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Listening to some of the participants at today’s rallies, “we don’t want a dictator” seems a dominant sentiment among the crowds.
Which is why I don’t block you. I will continue to **** on you when you say dumb **** tho. I expect the same in return.
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He’s been blocked by most of us not because we disagree with his opinions. But because he argues in bad faith, is bigoted, posts just to generate reaction (trolls), and makes personal insults. He's blocked because he’s a degenerate and a disgusting poster who doesn’t deserve our attention. He makes this message board a worse place.
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It’s interesting how the price of eggs has remained high and yet this concern has vanished from right wing media since November of 2024. Interesting. Where are the posters here who whined nonstop last fall about the price of eggs?
www.nytimes.com
Easter Eggs Are So Expensive Americans Are Dyeing Potatoes
With costs high and supplies short, people are getting creative with Easter egg traditions.
Fosto
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It’s interesting how the price of eggs has remained high and yet this concern has vanished from right wing media since November of 2024. Interesting. Where are the posters here who whined nonstop last fall about the price of eggs?
Easter Eggs Are So Expensive Americans Are Dyeing Potatoes
With costs high and supplies short, people are getting creative with Easter egg traditions.
It's not just eggs they no longer care about. They have apparently abandoned materialism all together and embraced Buddhist Enlightenment. Do we REALLY need jobs and money after all? Why can't we just be satisfied in having Trump as our glorious leader and let go of want and greed?
Absolutely fair. I think he can be saved. I’m gonna keep engaging.
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TheStormofWar
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Pretty much. When I think it can't get any lower, I just need to remember that the people that thought eating laundry detergent was good thing to try and emulate grew up.
TheStormofWar
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Funny, I seriously thought he was just a bot that Jason let go because funny.
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Bill Ackman warns world is on brink of ‘self-induced economic nuclear winter,’ begs Trump to pause tariffs
Billionaire fund manager Bill Ackman, who endorsed Donald Trump’s run for President, said the US leader was losing the confidence of business leaders and should pause his trade war.
nypost.com