Eye test will always be the most important then when projecting shooting imo. Especially when the FT% confirms the eye test.
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Is that how you evaluate THT’s shooting?
THT's issue has never been shooting. It's shot selection. He improved this 3pt% in Utah and improved his selection in Chicago. So I would say I was right about THT being a better shooter than people thought.
Issue is Yang will also be available and he's the better pick, but if some reason Yang gets picked before him, I would take Beringer at 21.
That's where I have him as well. I just think his ability to apply rim pressure is underrated. He is extremely good at it, and it's very important to being an efficient player and playmaker for others. There are safer picks than Fears for sure, I think his top end potential is as real as anyone in this 3-8 range though.
As far as the Collier comparison, I think that's a great place to look. Looking at Collier makes me more optimistic about Fears. He was definitely underrated by GM's and should not have fallen to 29. In hindsight, his rim pressure was overlooked. That absolutely translated to the NBA and it's why he has exceeded expectations. But despite that, questions still remain about him because he can't shoot. This is applies to Fears as well and is why I call him a boom or bust prospect. If Collier could shoot, we'd be thinking he's a potential star 100%. But since he can't, I'm not even sure he'll be an NBA rotation player in 5 years. It's a huge swing skill which applies to both players.
And this is also why Fears is a much better prospect. TS% does describe efficiency, it does not predict 3 point shooting. These two had the same TS% but that is not the same thing as the same shooting projection. Fears FT% is a great indicator towards being a better shooter than his 3FG% indicates. It does not guarantee Fears will be a good shooter, but it is still a very important indicator nonetheless. At the very least, it makes him a much better shooting prospect than Collier (who was a terrible shooting prospect) and this is the most important swing skill.
On top of that, Fears is a full year younger than Collier at this stage. So when you compare anything you have to account. And in addition to being older, I think it's safe to say that Collier is more physically mature than Fears. Collier is built like a tank which is rare for a player this younger. Fears will never be built like Collier, but you would have to think that Fears has more room to grow in this area.
Schrödinger's Gerbil
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I can't decide whether this is a tongue-in-cheek play on words or you're being serious. If the former, Bravo! If the later, WHAT?
Cy wouldn’t have taken Cody Williams last year fwiw
He does this “sneaky troll” sometimes when it’s slow around here…
The draft cannot come soon enough.
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framer
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To be fair, Collier should have been 8-11 in his draft. If people are that hungry for him at 5, we need to find a way to short that stock for more value.
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Their styles are quite different.
Collier is more of a straight line driver with speed and strength. Fears is a guy who uses his dribble to create space and separation. Collier is faster in a straight line while Fears is more dynamic with where and when he can score.
Collier's strengths are a bit more based on his combination of strength and speed along with his passing vision.
Fears is the more skilled player dribbling/getting to his spots and looks to have the better jumper (it looks much more comfortable)
I would consider Fears a 3 level scorer while Collier is a bit shakier with the 3 and mid range.
At the NBA level:
Collier as of now is a facilitator who scores sometimes but has inconsistent shooting, a nice pass first pg type (albeit one who turns it over a ton). A decent player to have but not one I build around. Maybe he shows us more in year 2 but thats my initial take on him.
Fears can be an elite 3 level scorer if he fully incorporates the off the dribble 3s and continues to build strength.
I'm of the mind to agree with Cy on this one. I think I do prefer Fears to VJ after looking through Fears' stuff. Fears has the potential to become the true 1A elite scoring talent that the Jazz need. I'm less confident that VJ has the same potential.
Collier is more of a straight line driver with speed and strength. Fears is a guy who uses his dribble to create space and separation. Collier is faster in a straight line while Fears is more dynamic with where and when he can score.
Collier's strengths are a bit more based on his combination of strength and speed along with his passing vision.
Fears is the more skilled player dribbling/getting to his spots and looks to have the better jumper (it looks much more comfortable)
I would consider Fears a 3 level scorer while Collier is a bit shakier with the 3 and mid range.
At the NBA level:
Collier as of now is a facilitator who scores sometimes but has inconsistent shooting, a nice pass first pg type (albeit one who turns it over a ton). A decent player to have but not one I build around. Maybe he shows us more in year 2 but thats my initial take on him.
Fears can be an elite 3 level scorer if he fully incorporates the off the dribble 3s and continues to build strength.
I'm of the mind to agree with Cy on this one. I think I do prefer Fears to VJ after looking through Fears' stuff. Fears has the potential to become the true 1A elite scoring talent that the Jazz need. I'm less confident that VJ has the same potential.
Shad
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He DID say he'd take jhs at 9 and that dude got waived by the jazz and will most likely be out of the league in just 2 years
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Ryan "The Kalk Block" Kalkbrenner at 21?
It's not tongue in cheek at all. Collier has one of the most erratic miss charts of any player I've seen.
I wouldnt even take him top 50
Schrödinger's Gerbil
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I'm all for offering opinions on draft prospects. It's what makes this fun. I don't watch or care about college b-ball, so I try to avoid offering completely uninformed opinions on draft prospects. I only note in passing the irrational confidence people have about different prospects while simultaneously noting that NBA draft experts and execs, who do this for a living and live, eat, and breath it, are wrong as often, if not more often, than right.
At the same time, it's probably unavoidable being wrong a lot, because the NBA is so crazy good that most prospects simply aren't good enough, so being wrong with some consistency is unavoidably baked into the process.
At the same time, it's probably unavoidable being wrong a lot, because the NBA is so crazy good that most prospects simply aren't good enough, so being wrong with some consistency is unavoidably baked into the process.
I mean, nothing Im saying about Collier is me saying I think he sucks. He's just a very bad shooter. Hopefully he gets better, but Fears is just a much much better shooting prospect than Collier. It's wild to me how stupid some people are choosing to be on this.
Again, just watch the way Collier shoots. He has erratic misses for a reason. A lot of shooters in the NBA arent great, but they usually get it to hit inside rim which shows precision and consistency. Collier does not have that currently (but I do think he was improving as the year went on).
I dont think drafting Fears is an indictment on Collier. You just have to take BPA.