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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

SoberasHotRod said:
People selectively apply things to prospects they like and unevenly to prospects they don't.

And honestly for a message board it's fine.
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I was a VJ homer then I watched a couple full games. He’s nothing what I thought. I’ve also seen 5 full Tre games. He’s not a great defender but a passable defender with the chops to be decent. He also provides rim pressure but doesn’t finish well at all.

You guys… he isn’t Key at all.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The fact that none of the Utah media have been talking about Ace Bailey the last couple of weeks is a bit odd, considering there's a real chance he gets to #5.
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Tony Jones is saying the Jazz may draft Ace.

Andy Larsen is avoiding talking in depth about draft prospects until he watches a lot of tape because he feels embarrassed by liking Cody Williams as a prospect last year. He thinks he didn't watch enough tape on the 2024 guys and that's why he was in favor of Cody. He hasn't said anything about who the Jazz may like, but he does say he leans against Ace Bailey as a prospect but needs to watch a lot more.

Sarah Todd hasn't said anything about who the Jazz might like but she personally really dislikes Ace Bailey as a player as he's so raw and risk/reward and she feels like all of the Jazz's risk/reward plays have blown up in the last few years. She really wishes there were less risky prospects in the Jazz's range simply because it feels like the Jazz keep betting wrong.

Less nationally connected people are under the impression that Ace is a lock to go 3 or 4 and thus only talk about Tre Johnson or Egor.
 
I actually think Ace is fairly safe in the sense that there are so many ways he can find himself on a team/in a rotation that it’s very unlikely he doesn’t do any of that. I don’t think he will Micheal Beasley his way out of the league. When guys like Wiggins/Barnes fail as shot makers are can fairly easily turn into role players. With that said, also needs a lot of things to go right in order to be a star so his high end potential might be less real. I don’t see him as the risky, boom or bust kind of prospect others do.

Fears is the guy who can bust easily. There are some middle outcomes for him if his shot is just decent. But there’s just a really high standard for being a ball handler in the NBA and he doesn’t have much complimentary skill. His path to stardom is much simpler, but his path to sticking in the league is more narrow.
 
There's one prospect I want to like that I just can't and that's Drake Powell.

One of the most athletic basketball players to ever live and you can't get rebounds, blocks, or steals?

The lack of offense would be excusable if he didn't put up such putrid defensive numbers.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The question for me is if there is enough evidence to believe that they will be those guys. I think letting hopes (moreso than good evidence) lead our decision making is a trap.

If the evidence isn’t strong enough then I think building infrastructure for a star by trading down (and up) is worth considering
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The problem with this is that you are forever waiting. Straight up the Jazz are nver getting the number one pick when a sure fire all star comes available. There is no successful strategy available to us where this happens. We have to take chances on players who COULD be something if stuff falls into place.

That is the only way we have had success and it is our only way forward.
 
KqWIN said:
I did a lot of this last draft cycle, so maybe I can find it, but small guards are overrepresented in all star games than pretty much any other group when you consider their draft position. I think they fall in the draft because of the obvious issues with small guards, but there are lots of them that turn into good players. Just this year in the all star game we had Dame, Mitchell, Trae, Maxey, Brunson, and Steph. If you're looking for the MVP type guy I think this falls apart. But if you're just looking for a really good player, I think small guard is not a huge deterrent because there are just so many of them that are.

For Jase, I think he's at the intersection of two things that we underrate. One we be the small guard thing I just mentioned. I think the fact that they are an undesirable archetype makes them underrated to some extent. The other thing would be lower usage players and their star potential. When you exclude the obvious elite prospect (this year would be Flagg and Harper), lower usage guys turn into stars at about the same rate as high usage players. It's almost 50/50, but I'm not sure people view it is a 50/50. When you're trying to find a star, I think the ability to scale up is something we should think about more.

I did notice that he was very left hand dominant and yes it does worry me a bit. But I guess I'm a little biased because I saw how successful Mitchell was despite being so right hand dominant.
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Take away the fact that mid tier players from the East are made all stars because of the moronic way we pick all stars and these small guards woukd not overly represented.
 
rippimpc said:
Sarah Todd needs a hug
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My take on Sarah Todd is that she wants to be an NBA reporter but she has to cover the Jazz. I feel like she would take any other assignment over the one she has. The fact we ate tanking and irrekevant makes things worse.

Because of this she is almost constantly salty.
 
Okay, I'm pretty sure the 76ers prefer Kon at 3.

If you look at Morey's track record of hits, it's guys who were limited by either their situation or by their terrible coach. Harden came off the bench because Durant and Westbrook had such high usage. Tyrese Maxey, Justin Edwards, and Jared McCain all had terrible coaches and a ton of teammates taking their possessions.

Who is a guy who was potentially limited by a terrible coach and other players taking up a ton of usage? It's Kon. Kon is questioned for not taking shots off the dribble in college... But maybe he didn't because his teammates were so good that it was pointless to do so. Maybe in the NBA he will be able to do this and that will make him a much more dangerous offensive player.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
He's not. He's a solid tier or two above Key, or Brice for that matter.
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A tier or two above Keyonte is fair but Brice is shooting 46% FG and 42% 3FG last season on 5 3s a game. I can't see how Tre is going to shoot better than Brice by the percentages. I assume you mean by volume but whos to say Brice can't maintain his percentages if he was given more shots? Perhaps Tre will be better in the ancillary stuff but how much better? Tre's other skills aren't all that noteworthy.
 
Basketball Novice said:
A tier or two above Keyonte is fair but Brice is shooting 46% FG and 42% 3FG last season on 5 3s a game. I can't see how Tre is going to shoot better than Brice by the percentages. I assume you mean by volume but whos to say Brice can't maintain his percentages if he was given more shots? Perhaps Tre will be better in the ancillary stuff but how much better? Tre's other skills aren't all that noteworthy.
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Brice's issue is that he's slow. His decision-making is slow, his handle and shot setup are slow, his shooting motion is slow. I love his shooting and I like his ability to play at his own speed, but he needs someone else to create time and space for him to do these things. Right now, he's a floor-spacer, a catch-and-shoot player who can attack a closeout a bit. He's not a primary offensive player. Whereas, Tre is. You'll see the difference right away if they're ever on the floor together.

The best thing Brice can do is to keep working on his body, keep working on his defense and ball movement, and see if he can be the Jazz's version of Aaron Nesmith.
 
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