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Collin Sexton traded to Charlotte Hornets for Jusuf Nurkic

I guess my biggest beef is we keep STACKING DECISIONS where we give up stuff we don’t have to (like leaving tons of second rounders on the table needlessly, or including them in deals needlessly). Sexton? Yeah okay. Don’t care, other than he’s a great guy. Nurkic? Don’t care. “Greasing the wheels” on that deal?! It’s like an old pair of shoes you’ll never wear, and your neighbor has a T shirt you’ll never wear, but you jump on saying you’ll buy him lunch to make the deal. And the neighbor is Banya and the lunch you’re on the hook for is Mendy’s, but then he gets a salad and you’re still on the hook for the lunch and you miss out on Uma Thurman.
 
I have not read all13 pages in this thread so maybe my points had been made already. Anyway.

1. The second round picks that are 35+ are worth almost nothing. One out of ten of them will turn out into a rotation player. The Jazz had 35 of these picks since the mid 80s and got exactly 3 players: Shandon Anderson, Mo Williams and Paul Millsap. They are more of something that the GMs brag about - I got something from this trade! - than real assets.

2. The Jazz have been trying to trade Sexton for several year and were unsuccessful. There is no market for him. And the Jazz want him to go because he is just taking minutes from their young projects and earns the unnecessary wins. Sexton is also not good as a teacher from what I heard. It makes sense to trade him now and not drag it out until the trade deadline.

3. Sexton was very professional in his stint with the Jazz. Trading Colin to a team that could use him and not sit him down with fake injuries is something that he has earned. It will be noticed across the league and the Jazz will get some reputation points for rewarding the vets who have upheld their end of the bargain.
 
Flc said:
I don’t do the Gram so no idea if this is accurate, but sounds like Sarah and Bill Simmons know something, just like Windhorst knew something before the Gobert trade.


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Kessler on the way out?
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My internet browser had a Kessler to the Lakers for Dalton Knecht and draft picks earlier this week. I thought the return sounded bad and I disregarded it. Heck that may be reality now.
 
The only thing I can think is the Jazz will be trading him sometime during the season. Someone will need a big and be willing to part with an equal pick if not more.
 
lol. Yeah, Sexton was worth nothing this whole time. Didn’t expect him to be worth less than Nurkic though.

On the bright side, we are taking out one of our tank competitors.
 
FWIW, I thought that WCJ was going to be much closer to a Sexton replacement than a Keyonte replacement. Even though their style of play are very different, the results are very similar. They have very similar usg%, ast%, reb%, TS%, ast/to ratio, etc.

WCJ is not a natural playmaker, but has grown a lot in that area, just like Sexton.
 
Lol this is funny when Cy is the voice of reason on jazz fanz. Gained more rep in my eyes

2nd Ainge was never a big second rounder guy. He has spent them like candy.

3rd I can see something like this happening. The jazz brass is sitting down and realize they have to move sexton. They look at the players that the Jazz can trade straight up for sexton. Nurkic name comes up the jazz call. Knowing nurkic doesnt have a future in Charlotte. Jazz say we will swap players. Charlotte says sexton doesnt fit into the picture of what we are trying to create. AA says what if we throw in a second. Charlotte says ... that pick. AA ok let's do it.

I am pretty sure the jazz initiated the contact. That gave Charlotte the upper hand but now the jazz have a back up center, which is a need. One less small guard, which is a need. This was a win win. Live with it.
 
I unironically think this is a good trade for the Jazz and it makes me more optimistic about how things are going to go moving forward. First thing to get out of the way, we are not trying move forward and trying to make the playoffs. Thank god!

Sexton had no value to this Jazz team. All he would do is take away minutes and work against our tank. His in court value would be a net negative, so despite the optics, we are in a better position without Sexton in the roster. And it was a nice bonus to give him to one of our top tank competitors. Last season, Sexton produced 3.8 estimated wins per EPM. Let’s be conservative all call it 3. Taking away 3 wins from us and adding 3 wins to one of our biggest tank competitors could absolutely come into play next season.

This is a move that DA would never do. AA is paying for the sins of his father. DA would let his ego get in the way and would rather leave the franchise worse off than let go of his stubbornness and ego. If we had AA, we would not have had those half tank years that amounted to almost nothing.

The only downside is that despite all this, we probably should have been able to negotiate a straight up trade….but the franchise is in a better position after this trade and that’s what matters most.
 
Bodhi said:
Haha some wild overreaction to this in this thread. At worst it’s what is being reported. It’s not franchise altering.

Yall watch too much Island couple swap reality TV.
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True, this deal isn't franchise altering. And if it's a bad trade, it's not a horrifically bad trade with significant costs. So, not worth THAT much angst from a team building POV (especially since he was unlikely to be resigned at the end of his contract). It may actually be good for Sexton, as he is more likely to be featured at Charlotte than here. I think it sucks more in that I think Sexton is damn good. He deserves far more respect than he gets. Oh well.

What some others are saying makes sense to me, pending more information, that this move allows the Jazz to offer fans a fig leaf of trying to win without actually trying to win. It's a move to give ownership and FO plausible deniability for continuing to purposively suck. Oh joy!
 
I do think this also means something about a potential Lauri trade. On one hand, tanking with Lauri is more feasible now. OTOH, I think AA is prioritizing direction of the franchise over “winning the trade”.
 
Of course Sexton was a negative asset and of course we needed to trade him. He isn't helping a team win. He is taking minutes away from developing players and is not a good role model for the young guys and general a negative locker room guy.
 
I'm still pissed about this. If we're so set on tanking so we don't have to give OKC our 1st in this draft then we could have just cut Sexton and not given up a 2nd round pick....
 
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