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Keyonte or Walter Clayton Jr, who has the better career?

You got Key or Sweetness?

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str8line

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We're lucky to have them both for a while but which horse wins this race? The poll is not anonymous and you can't change your vote, so place your bet on our future PG.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Tough, I see them as pretty equal
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Yeah it is a tough one especially with Keyonte playing so well. Clayton's dominating stint in the second quarter last night was pretty crazy for a guy in his second NBA game. He just has it, IMO. Maybe Keyonte does too though.
 
WCJ has a high floor but Keyonte has a much higher ceiling. Walter is a good shooter, can get to the rim and can dribble better. But a lot of his success comes from being confident and playing within himself. He reminds me of Joe Ingles in that. I don't think that Clayton sees himself as a future star.

Keyonte, on the other hand, wants to be a star and he is constantly pushing himself to acquire new skills and take tough shots. Key wants to be good at everything. That is why he attacks the basket when his path is not exactly open, why he is attempting risky, long-distance passes, why he is taking difficult shots when the clock is winding down.

The answer to this poll depends on how much you believe in George actually excelling at all of these different skills and becoming a versatile star-level player. I was skeptical about it but he made huge progress in his playmaking, leadership and defense... and I am a believer now. I think that WCJ will become a smart and valuable role player but Keyonte will be someone that the opposing team will be watching the tape on before the games against the Jazz.
 
One thing that may actually swing the relative career trajectories for Clayton and Keyonte is the playing style. Clayton plays very safely and under control, while Keyonte constantly barrels into the traffic, dunks, rapidly accelerates... You can see George on the floor quite often. That style of play is more likely to result in injuries, so there is a non-zero chance that Keyonte's career will be significantly affected by them.
 
str8line said:
We're lucky to have them both for a while but which horse wins this race? The poll is not anonymous and you can't change your vote, so place your bet on our future PG.
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Reading it more closely, you are asking two different questions: "who has a better career" and "place your bet on our future PG." The answers could be different.

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fishonjazz said:
I go with keyonte because I think he has the size/length and athleticism edge.
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I went with Walt because his aptitude for the game and his effort will beat out any size/athleticism disadvantage. As Thurl always says about him, "cool, calm, collected". Also he's proven. His clutch play led his team to a national championship, I think people might gloss over that fact a bit because he's an undersized guard.

Keyonte is pretty awesome but his effort and mental toughness have been questionable at times.
 
str8line said:
I went with Walt because his aptitude for the game and his effort will beat out any size/athleticism disadvantage. As Thurl always says about him, "cool, calm, collected". Also he's proven. His clutch play led his team to a national championship, I think people might gloss over that fact a bit because he's an undersized guard.

Keyonte is pretty awesome but his effort and mental toughness have been questionable at times.
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Ya but keyonte has been cool, calm and collected this season and his mental toughness has been awesome so far.
I think he has matured a lot and is just getting better. As weird as it sounds, keyonte is still younger than Walt.
 
str8line said:
I went with Walt because his aptitude for the game and his effort will beat out any size/athleticism disadvantage. As Thurl always says about him, "cool, calm, collected". Also he's proven. His clutch play led his team to a national championship, I think people might gloss over that fact a bit because he's an undersized guard.

Keyonte is pretty awesome but his effort and mental toughness have been questionable at times.
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Compared to Walt Keyonte was in a very different situation development-wise. And it is not just because Walt played one more season. WCJ got to play in a structured basketball environment for a good team were every game mattered and everyone cared about the wins... while Keyonte spent two years on the team actively trying to lose games. Keyonte has not played a single game that mattered in the last two years. That really affects young players and I am sure Keyonte was not the only one affected.
 
I voted Walt as a homer but I actually think it’ll be Keyonte.

Not 100% convinced Key has a much higher ceiling. If Walt reaches his potential as a shooter he could be one of the best in the game.
 
If Walt were to become a player who could use a screen at 26 feet out, and then shoot threes off-the-dribble at a 40+% clip (at volume) OR make the right pass, then it's pretty hard to argue against that career trajectory. If he becomes the kind of shooter who has to be respected when he's off-ball and receiving a pick from 26 feet out, then it's impossible to argue against that career trajectory.

Early signs are all positive, IMO.
 
It would be really funny if Collier comes in with a much improved jumper and takes the PG spot for good.

I mean, I don't really expect it to happen but he exists and he is the best passer by far. And there were cases when young players markedly improved their shooting in their second year.
 
jazznik said:
It would be really funny if Collier comes in with a much improved jumper and takes the PG spot for good.

I mean, I don't really expect it to happen but he exists and he is the best passer by far. And there were cases when young players markedly improved their shooting in their second year.
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Best passer by far? Man you have some weird takes.
 
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