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Game Thread Nov 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: Atlanta Hawks @ Utah Jazz

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The pace of this game was absolutely crazy. It wasn't actually that bad of a defensive game....relatively. 121.7 defensive rating when the other team shoots 50% isn't half bad for us.
 
I laughed early in the game when thurl was talking about how the jazz problem was with their offense and how they had played good defense. Meanwhile, the hawks were shooting like 75% from 3 at the time.
Then after thinking about it a bit I kind of actually found myself agreeing with him. They were playing a lot of good defense for long stretches of possessions but just making little mistakes at the end of shot clocks and allowing the hawks to score. But the jazz were making the hawks work hard and use much of the clock before ending with good shot that to their credit, they were making every single time.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can't leave 90% of NBA players wide open anymore. Everyone can get hot if you give them all day.
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For me, this is part of a more general discussion about disallowing or disrupting players' rhythm—whether that a rhythm of shooting wide-open threes from their preferred places, or a rhythm in running a particular screen to gain an advantage, etc. Good defenses take away any rhythm, even if its part of using a possession in some "low value" way. The late-Synder era was miserable at this.
 
Stat update:
Lauri so far this year: 29 points and 6 rebounds. 48%, 39%, 89%. 35 minutes. Career high free throw attempts per game (6.6). Nothing much in the way of assists, steals, blocks, or turnovers.
He is about the perfect Robin. Maybe even the best Robin in the league. Would be amazing if we could have drafted Wemby. Might be competing for a title this season.

Spurs should be offering Harper and a decent amount of picks imo. They have Fox and Castle. Dont need harper at all. Lauri would catapult them
 
fishonjazz said:
Stat update:
Lauri so far this year: 29 points and 6 rebounds. 48%, 39%, 89%. 35 minutes. Career high free throw attempts per game (6.6). Nothing much in the way of assists, steals, blocks, or turnovers.
He is about the perfect Robin. Maybe even the best Robin in the league. Would be amazing if we could have drafted Wemby. Might be competing for a title this season.

Spurs should be offering Harper and a decent amount of picks imo. They have Fox and Castle. Dont need harper at all. Lauri would catapult them
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We're going to be getting Ron Holland, Tobias Harris, Duncan Robinson/Caris Levert and like 1-2 picks. Please do not set the expectations in this pseudo hard cap era of getting a potential superstar prospect with four years left on his rookie contract.

No one has any idea if Lauri Markkanen can play playoff defense and he's on a max.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
We're going to be getting Ron Holland, Tobias Harris, Duncan Robinson/Caris Levert and like 1-2 picks. Please do not set the expectations in this pseudo hard cap era of getting a potential superstar prospect with four years left on his rookie contract.

No one has any idea if Lauri Markkanen can play playoff defense and he's on a max.
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Yeah cuz the Ainges have shown such a willingness to sell low on all stars
 
fishonjazz said:
Stat update:
Lauri so far this year: 29 points and 6 rebounds. 48%, 39%, 89%. 35 minutes. Career high free throw attempts per game (6.6). Nothing much in the way of assists, steals, blocks, or turnovers.
He is about the perfect Robin. Maybe even the best Robin in the league. Would be amazing if we could have drafted Wemby. Might be competing for a title this season.

Spurs should be offering Harper and a decent amount of picks imo. They have Fox and Castle. Dont need harper at all. Lauri would catapult them
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yeah, that's tough. we could quibble over whether or not they SHOULD include Harper in a deal, but there is zero chance that they will. teams always overvalue their young draftees, especially when they show some of the promise Harper has shown this season.

I mean, 14, 4 and 4 in 23 minutes a game on 50/36/83 splits. those numbers are better than stephon castle last year who was not only rookie of the year, but we see how good he's been this year. and as good as Castle has been, he's still at 23% from three. Harper already at 36% from three might be a rich man's Castle. It would be hard to trade that.

should they? maybe. will they? no chance in hell.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Lauri's contract goes from a slight negative a overwhelming positive if he's averaging 29 PPG. The jazz aren't going to trade him for anything short of the same kind of package we got for Gobert/Mitchell.
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Okay, then they won't trade him because Lauri's injury history and lack of playoff experience are too much for any team to give up more than what I mentioned. If he turns out to be a switch victim in the postseason, your future is immediately dead if you give up four picks and one prospect for him.
 
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