Keyonte George’s Star Ascension

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I disagree. This season I often see him Keyonte doing something positive on defense and I did not see it last year. He also stopped complaining and pouting after the failed offensive posession: instead he busts his tail to get back on defense.

Key's improvement on the defensive side this year was no less drastic then his offensive growth: he was already pretty good on offense last season but on defense he started from a much lower base.

His defensive rating is still massively bad but it’s also massively improved. Hopefully it continues to get better over the next two years. If so he at least won’t be a massive liability

 

[MTS]

His defensive rating is still massively bad but it’s also massively improved. Hopefully it continues to get better over the next two years. If so he at least won’t be a massive liability

No guard in the league is going to have a good defensive rating when their team has no rim protection to speak of.

 

[Bodhi]

I wouldn't take Brandon Miller or Ausar over him. Podz and Lively aren't in the discussion.

We are getting wild. Maybe chill on this longer than 1/4 season.

 

[Roy_McAvoy]

So how do you explain just how atrociously bad Keyonte George can be some games?

Case in point:

View: https://x.com/brickcenter_/status/1995336666542948501?s=46

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

So how do you explain just how atrociously bad Keyonte George can be some games?

Case in point:

View: https://x.com/brickcenter_/status/1995336666542948501?s=46

Yes pick the game where he was sick and not 100% probably not focused 100% because he was sick in a game the jazz got blown out.

 

[Park Bites]

His defensive rating is still massively bad but it’s also massively improved. Hopefully it continues to get better over the next two years. If so he at least won’t be a massive liability

That's massive.

 

[NUMBERICA]

After wemby, amen, Brandon miller, ausar… who would you take over keyonte? Podz? Lively?

Wallace. The list isn’t long. I was elated he was there for the Jazz pick.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So how do you explain just how atrociously bad Keyonte George can be some games?

Case in point:

View: https://x.com/brickcenter_/status/1995336666542948501?s=46

It was his only *bad* game this season, and he was sick.

He has come a long way.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Wallace. The list isn’t long. I was elated he was there for the Jazz pick.

No shot you’re taking Cason over Keyonte

 

[NUMBERICA]

No shot you’re taking Cason over Keyonte

I probably am. Like 51/49. It’s not Keyonte shade to say that he isn’t and probably won’t be a plus defender and that Wallace’s role on a juggernaut suggests both that he plays a more winning game and that he could have much louder counting stats on a lesser team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cason is cool and all, but he's a terrible offensive player. He fits their system well, but he would struggle to contribute offensively on a lot of teams.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I could see some teams in certain situations taking Cason over Keyonte, but if you were starting a team from scratch with that draft class no way in hell would anyone take Cason over Keyonte

 

[Elizah Huge]

Cason is cool and all, but he's a terrible offensive player. He fits their system well, but he would struggle to contribute offensively on a lot of teams.

He would not be doing what Keyonte is doing offensively with the load he has.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another thing with Cason, he's the 3rd best player on his team at his role. Caruso/Dort are both better.

 

[NUMBERICA]

He would not be doing what Keyonte is doing offensively with the load he has.

He wouldn’t. But he’s 10x the defensive player.

 

[SD Jazz]

Key has taken an unbelievable jump in his development, what a joy to watch his game.

 

[KqWIN]

A massive jump has been made, but there's still a long way to go the defensive end:

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Another thing with Cason, he's the 3rd best player on his team at his role. Caruso/Dort are both better.

Cason has the highest DBPM on the team and the second highest in the league, leads the league in steals as well, and has a better on/off defense than Dort. If he's worse than Caruso and Dort, it's not by much, and it's not saying much as those are two of the top non big defensive players in the game.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I could see some teams in certain situations taking Cason over Keyonte, but if you were starting a team from scratch with that draft class no way in hell would anyone take Cason over Keyonte

Agreed, even as a huge Cason Wallace homer, although I think the list of current teams who would prefer Cason over Keyonte would be quite big, but it's really an apples and oranges comparison.

Keyonte : 2.0 OBPM, -2.0 DBPM 0.1 BPM, 0.4 VORP, 2.7 pts better offense ON/OFF, -11.52 worse defense ON/OFF, -8.82 total ON/OFF
Cason: -2.3 OBPM, 3.8 DBPM, 1.5 BPM, 0..6 VORP, 3.17pts better offense ON/OFF, 4.37 better defense ON/OFF, 7.54 total ON/OFF

Porque no los dos? I would love to have both of them on the team. I think everyone knows this by now, but they are childhood friends, and I'm guessing would love to play together.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cason has the highest DBPM on the team and the second highest in the league, leads the league in steals as well, and has a better on/off defense than Dort. If he's worse than Caruso and Dort, it's not by much, and it's not saying much as those are two of the top non big defensive players in the game.

No, I'm saying his role isn't solely on him. Most teams will have one, maybe two defensive first defenders. OKC has 3 at the same position, so each has an easier job if they didn't have that depth. And yes, he is the worse of the 3. That's not a diss, it just is. I don't really care about slight differences in DBPM.