Grade the Jazz’s Trade Deadline

[framer]

Kessler doesn't have any more or less leverage with the JJJ trade.

Parachuting in and paying someone like Kessler 40 million dollars a year as your key free agent signing is the kind of thing that gets you fired as a GM. Especially when he hasn't played in a year. You will immediately get pilloried by the press and your fans.

There is a big long history of teams overpaying white centers who cannot shoot. It has rarely worked out. Especially if you know the Jazz will just match anyway.

It won't be surprising when the Jazz sign Kessler in the opening hours of free agency with a generous contract.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

I think that's why they did it, but I didn't hear of anyone pursuing.

Here's a link that says GSW was but shifted their focus to Giannis

NBACentral article

 

[KqWIN]

Feels like the added difficulty of tanking should be reflected in the trade grade no? Don’t really understand the with and without pick grades.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Kessler doesn't have any more or less leverage with the JJJ trade.

Correct. However, prospective bidders - the thing we should be more worried about - very much do.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Honestly, I think ownership (and many fans) have grown tired of the intentional losing. We're trying to be competitive and make the playoffs next year. With that in mind, fantastic trade because we never have any luck in free agency.

Ownership and management want to ensure we have the best odds to retain the pick this year. They want it much more than any fan. Drastic tanking measures will take place if we start trending up from the current position (#6).

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't think you quite got my point. I agree that keeping or not keeping the pick is something that the trade may affect. And it's something that we are in some control of (though the last two games show that losing is just not that easy; we have players that put it together on occasion even with our bare-bones squad).

But I think the original statement I responded to is that the trade should be judged based on whether we get a 1-4 pick vs. a 5-8 pick. This is the part we're just not in much control of. This is the part where luck or non-luck comes into play. This is the part where the trade really is unlikely to make a significant difference. I don't think the quality of the decision should be judged on whether we get luck in the future or not. (Unless you're willing to say that last year's decision to tank -- and success in achieving the #1 pre-lottery seed -- should be judged as not the best decision since we didn't get lottery luck.)

I guess the trade could have a big affect on the lottery odds.

 

[fishonjazz]

Parachuting in and paying someone like Kessler 40 million dollars a year as your key free agent signing is the kind of thing that gets you fired as a GM. Especially when he hasn't played in a year. You will immediately get pilloried by the press and your fans.

There is a big long history of teams overpaying white centers who cannot shoot. It has rarely worked out. Especially if you know the Jazz will just match anyway.

It won't be surprising when the Jazz sign Kessler in the opening hours of free agency with a generous contract.

If it's more than 30 per year, let him go.
Hopefully the jazz and kessler have a number that they have kind of agreed to and that's why we didn't take any trades for him

 

[fishonjazz]

Feels like the added difficulty of tanking should be reflected in the trade grade no? Don’t really understand the with and without pick grades.

Things is, we don't yet know if the trade made tanking more difficult or not.
So far it's made tanking a little easier due to not having any players available and only 1 point guard that many people think sucks.

We assume it will make tanking harder (I do) but until I see it making tanking harder I will say B+ or A depending on what happens to the tank.

 

[KqWIN]

Things is, we don't yet know if the trade made tanking more difficult or not.
So far it's made tanking a little easier due to not having any players available and only 1 point guard that many people think sucks.

We assume it will make tanking harder (I do) but until I see it making tanking harder I will say B+ or A depending on what happens to the tank.

We don't know a lot about the trade. It's like grading the trade if JJJ is good then grading it if he's not. You have to wrap that up in the calculation of the trade just like everything else.

 

[outerspacefan]

Honestly, I think ownership (and many fans) have grown tired of the intentional losing. <...>

Huge tanker advocate super tired of tanking myself.
I guess that's exactly what happens to everybody when a season or two are lost because lack or decision on tanking hard from the very beginning of the (re)building process.