anybody miss Jeffersuck?

[larryselbows]

Right, because I'm the only 1 on ths sure who has ever posted an opinion. Got it.

Lulz, saw this on reddit, feel like it applies.

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[orangello]

Hasn't Bynum been working with Kareem for years?

 

[SaltyDawg]

Humphries shot 44% in the Big Ten as a PF. Not great at all. Jefferson shots 53% and averaged 7ppg game as a rookie fresh out of HS.

He had more potential it's obvious. It's obvious because we have hindsight. Jefferson was still fat and slow when he was putting up 20 and 10 in Minnesota. Humphries was still built like a tank and doing nothing. Potential isn't all in your physique. Or are there # disparities all about development along the way?

Humphries shot 44% while scoring 22 points, grabbing 10 rebounds, blocking 1 shot, and getting 1 steal per game. This was as an athletic 18 year old freshman in a major college conference.

That is definitely more potential than the fat kid who never played in college, is the same age, and same height.

I'm not disputing that Jefferson turned out to be the much better player. But that does not mean Humphries never had more potential.

The Jazz did not draft Humphries and leave Jefferson on the board because they thought Jefferson had more potential.

That doesn't even really matter though. The fact of the matter is Jefferson is absolutely helping the development of Favors and Kanter. To interrupt that development and hurt the team chemistry would be foolish. Especially when Jefferson's current contract isn't hurting the Jazz, won't hurt the Jazz in the future, and his play on the court is pretty good too. He may not be the greatest player in the world but he certainly isn't the worst either.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Humphries shot 44% while scoring 22 points, grabbing 10 rebounds, blocking 1 shot, and getting 1 steal per game. This was as an athletic 18 year old freshman in a major college conference.

That is definitely more potential than the fat kid who never played in college, is the same age, and same height.

I'm not disputing that Jefferson turned out to be the much better player. But that does not mean Humphries never had more potential.

The Jazz did not draft Humphries and leave Jefferson on the board because they thought Jefferson had more potential.

That doesn't even really matter though. The fact of the matter is Jefferson is absolutely helping the development of Favors and Kanter. To interrupt that development and hurt the team chemistry would be foolish. Especially when Jefferson's current contract isn't hurting the Jazz, won't hurt the Jazz in the future, and his play on the court is pretty good too. He may not be the greatest player in the world but he certainly isn't the worst either.

We will get more value for him in a trade this offseason than will we get from his teachings.

 

[NAOS]

We will get more value for him in a trade this offseason than will we get from his teachings.

Yesterday, I gave you the stage to predict some specific deals you would consider for Jefferson. Since you're the detail oriented critic, my expectations were sky-high. I was disappointed. c'mon man.

 

[zman1527]

Yesterday, I gave you the stage to predict some specific deals you would consider for Jefferson. Since you're the detail oriented critic, my expectations were sky-high. I was disappointed. c'mon man.

I would take any really good PG, young and quick and pass first. I would take a good wing, especially a 3 ball shooter.

Addition by subtraction would work really great with Big A. Move him for parts you are lacking = addition. Take his big man minutes and distribute them to Sap, Fav, Kanter = addition. So the Jazz come come out ahead, even if they trade for player(s) with a bit less basketball value than Big A.

 

[SaltyDawg]

We will get more value for him in a trade this offseason than will we get from his teachings.

I disagree.

All we will get for him in a trade is another player who will take minutes away from our young players. And probably hurt team chemistry in the process, plus he probably won't be as valuable of a mentor/tutor.

There's a chance we could get a good point guard for Jefferson. There's also a chance we can draft a good point guard and have Watson mentor/tutor him.

All things considered, I think the development we are seeing in Kantor and Favors is extremely valuable. To lose that we had better get something pretty awesome in return. Something that we couldn't draft this summer, trade one of our trade exceptions for, or sign as a free agent after next season.

Hypothetically, who do you think we could get for Jefferson? I guess that is the heart of our disagreement. If we could get someone good enough to make up for the loss of his tutoring, the loss of his minutes, and the loss of minutes/development for whoever gets benched to make room for the newly acquired player, then I'd be all for it. I just don't think that is possible.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yesterday, I gave you the stage to predict some specific deals you would consider for Jefferson. Since you're the detail oriented critic, my expectations were sky-high. I was disappointed. c'mon man.

It's hard to predict anything until the season is over.

 

[Qman]

So, assuming the Jazz are going to spend that money 1 way or the other... What do you think the Jazz should spend it on?

Some wing player to take minutes from Burks and Hayward? Some other big guy to take minutes from the young bigs?

I hope this new player has the chemistry that Al Jefferson brings to the team.

I know we need a point guard. But we're already paying Devin Harris a lot of money. So if it's a point guard you're after, you should be looking at Devin's salary as "must go" and not Jefferson's.

The fact of the matter is it's pretty stupid to get rid of someone for salary reasons when the Jazz are just fine financially.

If the dude is obviously helping the young guys develop, is a positive locker room presence, a good character guy, and also a pretty good player on the court when called upon. You don't dump him strictly for financial reasons when you're not in any financial trouble. Getting rid of Jefferson won't make the Jazz players in the free agent market any sooner.

If the guy is demanding 35 minutes and to be the #1 option, that's different. But this is a good character guy who has said plenty of times that he knows they're the future of the team, and he wants to help get them ready.

People want to dump him because they don't like how Corbin uses him. That's foolish. You dump the coach if he's incompetent, not the players. And there is no financial benefit to dumping him so that doesn't make sense either.

Why does anyone care how much he makes? This isn't a Kirilenko situation where he makes a ton of money, is a terrible locker room guy, contributes very little most games, cries about minutes and his role, and the Jazz are in the luxury tax.

This is the exact opposite. He doesn't make all that much (not as much as AK anyway), is a good locker room guy, usually plays well (even if you don't like his style he's still pretty good at it), and has indicated that developing the young bigs as the future of the franchise is one of his priorities. All this while the Jazz are well under the tax and he only has like 1 more year on his deal after this one anyway.

I am actually being persuaded by Salty points. He doesn't have everything right but Jefferson is a positive influence on this team. Maybe his minutes need to be trimmed back to about 30 mpg. And we need to dump the ball into the post to him less. But we can afford him.

If we trade him we have to take salary and players back. They might mess with the good chemistry we have right now.

We already have a bevy of young talented players that must be developed. If we get more lottery draft picks we might not be able to develop them properly.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I am actually being persuaded by Salty points. He doesn't have everything right but Jefferson is a positive influence on this team. Maybe his minutes need to be trimmed back to about 30 mpg. And we need to dump the ball into the post to him less. But we can afford him.

If we trade him we have to take salary and players back. They might mess with the good chemistry we have right now.

We already have a bevy of young talented players that must be developed. If we get more lottery draft picks we might not be able to develop them properly.

Exactly. And to be clear, I am all for cutting down Jefferson's minutes, plays ran for him, and even bringing him off the bench and starting Kantor.

Everyone assumes that just because Jefferson is on the team he has to be a starter, has to get 35 minutes per game, and has to be the main focal point of the offense. I think the Jazz would be very good someday if Jefferson was our backup center, and Millsap our backup power forward.

 

[Bodhi]

By the sound of it, we have the best team chemistry in the history of the league. Just read a lot of papers or first hand knowledge?

 

[SaltyDawg]

By the sound of it, we have the best team chemistry in the history of the league. Just read a lot of papers or first hand knowledge?

Maybe not the best in the history of the league, but certainly better than the last several years on the Utah Jazz.