Lame argument.
Jesus drank wine, can it really be that bad?
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Lame argument.
margodydek
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Most Christians believe we're being tested in some way or another by God, so it makes sense that there would be temptations here. For example, most Christians believe in abstinence unless legally wed. However, most of us are raring to go by the age of 13. If you believe in God, then you believe he made us this way for a reason - most likely to test us.
I don't think so. As far as I know, decaf coffee is still considered to be against the Word of Wisdom.
If they smoked, they wouldn't be living all of God's laws now, would they? ;-) (At least not from an LDS perspective.)
But I understand what you're talking about. The problem with that way of thinking, is that you could make the case for ANY sin. "I can't see God denying a good man/woman just because they [insert sin here]."
The problem with *that*, of course, is that everyone sins. That's where faith in the atonement of Jesus Christ comes in, along with repentance and being forgiven of sin.
Also worth mentioning, is that I believe that we will be judged on who we've *become* more than on what we've *done*. (But of course our actions form our character.) See this talk by Dallin Oaks from 2000: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2000/10/the-challenge-to-become?lang=eng
I just meant that in general if someone says they had a cup of coffee they mean they drank caffeine. If they had decaf they would say decaf.
Yeah, so my understanding is that all hot beverages are against the WoW? Is that true?
I'm agnostic so anything biblical doesn't hold much water to me, other than general life lesson parables. But hey, I don't believe that some all powerful being put all plant life on earth and don't know why if that being did why that being would put plant life that has psychoactive properties. I don't have to reconcile the two.
margodydek
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You realize you're talking to the same people who believe that God put two people in a garden and said, "See this tree I made? Don't eat any of its fruit!"
addictionary
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Follow your conscience, be a good man/woman. Alcohol won't change the sacred effects of these, if you don't harm anyone or yourself. Religions are the way for deviant people to return to the God's way. Do that yourself. And drink for joy. It might still be a sin, but it's way better than drowning in dishonesty. If it bothers you that much, then don't do it Because you'll harm yourself psychologically this time.
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Jesus was a 5au5-baw5555 (cannot believe we banned the guy).
Interestingly enough, alcohol was not made completely prohibited towards the beginning of Islam either (as far as I remember). However, it was then revised in the time of Muhammad (pbuh) (again, as far as I know) due to some of the destruction that alcohol abuse sometimes created among families.
Regawwwdless, one should never really judge a person based on whether he drinks, or smokes, or anything of that nature. Different sets of morals, beliefs, and faiths work for different people, and as long as an individual chooses the path that he/she thinks leads them to become the best possible person they can be, then I imagine that the gates of heaven might be rather forgiving. Well, at least I think so.
Interestingly enough, alcohol was not made completely prohibited towards the beginning of Islam either (as far as I remember). However, it was then revised in the time of Muhammad (pbuh) (again, as far as I know) due to some of the destruction that alcohol abuse sometimes created among families.
Regawwwdless, one should never really judge a person based on whether he drinks, or smokes, or anything of that nature. Different sets of morals, beliefs, and faiths work for different people, and as long as an individual chooses the path that he/she thinks leads them to become the best possible person they can be, then I imagine that the gates of heaven might be rather forgiving. Well, at least I think so.
No, the church's official interpretation is that the phrase "hot drinks" used in the revelation refers specifically to coffee and black tea (presumably because that's what "hot drinks" would have meant to Joseph Smith). Hot chocolate, herbal tea, etc., are not prohibited.
You and I had a discussion about this and your interpretation was that white and green tea should also be avoided as they are made from the same leaves as black tea.