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David Aldridge's Offseason Grades (not pretty)

I think the Jazz have had a very good offseason. Not perfect mind you but very solid. They addressed 3 point shooting and perimeter defense. Howard and Miles are gone. Bell will be gone one way or another. Just wish he'd be a man and honor the word he himself said he had given.

I wish we hard heard more about P3 and all the guys there. I also wish that we had seen/will see the Willaims go join the guys at P3.
 
Stoked said:
I think the Jazz have had a very good offseason. Not perfect mind you but very solid. They addressed 3 point shooting and perimeter defense. Howard and Miles are gone. Bell will be gone one way or another. Just wish he'd be a man and honor the word he himself said he had given.

I wish we hard heard more about P3 and all the guys there. I also wish that we had seen/will see the Willaims go join the guys at P3.
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They have a video of Marvin there.
 
can't really complain about his assessment. as i've pointed out before, it's easier to believe in the unrealized potential of other teams' mediocre players than it is our own because we've been closer to our own guys' flaws. but from the outside looking in, i can imagine it's hard to view this offseason as anything other than swapping our mid-rung talent for other team's mid-run talent and hoping that it pans out.

these aren't necessarily my views, but i can see how someone might sum up our offseason this way:
* replaced CJ with marvin: swapped a 25-year old guy who has failed to live up to his potential for a 25 year old guy who has failed to live up to his potential
* replaced bell with foye: had a veteran known for his shooting and toughness but was coming off a couple of bad years, so we swapped him for a veteran known for his shooting and toughness but is coming off a couple bad years.
* replaced devin with mo: swapped a middle-of-the-pack PG who sometimes struggles to run the offense for a middle-of-the-pack PG who sometimes struggles to run the offense.
* replaced howard's role with a bigger role for burks: had an aggressive second-unit attacker who is a known scorer in this league, swapped him for an aggressive second-unit attacker who is a known scorer in the big 12 conference.

let's be honest, a lot of the improvement we're hoping for is improvement from within, and that's not going to show up on someone's offseason grades. hopefully hayward and favors take big leaps, but that's now what aldridge is writing about.
 
Your assesment of Foye is dopey at best. Foye played a role last year and many say had his best year last year. But you only look at the stat line when you spew your nonsense.
 
I'm not saying we had an amazing off-season or anything, but he has to be better than the 24th. I would put it at least top 15.
 
I'm still very concerned about how our offense will be distributed on the floor as well as our ability to get to the spots we want to. Sure, we seem to have addressed our three-point shooting abilities, but another huge problem last year was our one-dimensional offense. That is, we had, like, one or two ways to initiate our offense. I don't think we've addressed this problem because I fear that requires a diversity of skillsets that we don't have. For example, Burks is the only guy that can drive without the aid of a screen. Not good.

In short, we've redistributed our play by spreading the floor, but we haven't necessarily gotten less predictable. Besides, every team already knows there are only a couple of ways to use Jefferson... they'll just "Popovich" us (deny the entry pass; bring a double from the baseline where he can't see it; change the rhythms of when the double comes; etc.)
 
NAOS said:
I'm still very concerned about how our offense will be distributed on the floor as well as our ability to get to the spots we want to. Sure, we seem to have addressed our three-point shooting abilities, but another huge problem last year was our one-dimensional offense. That is, we had, like, one or two ways to initiate our offense. I don't think we've addressed this problem because I fear that requires a diversity of skillsets that we don't have. For example, Burks is the only guy that can drive without the aid of a screen. Not good.

In short, we've redistributed our play by spreading the floor, but we haven't necessarily gotten less predictable. Besides, every team already knows there are only a couple of ways to use Jefferson... they'll just "Popovich" us (deny the entry pass; bring a double from the baseline where he can't see it; change the rhythms of when the double comes; etc.)
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I agree that I would like to see the tools the Jazz have acquired actually utilized in the offense and not just an implied threat. The Jazz need to use it and burn teams with it.
 
Mookie Biznitch said:
Your assesment of Foye is dopey at best. Foye played a role last year and many say had his best year last year. But you only look at the stat line when you spew your nonsense.
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apparently you didn't read the bolded part where i said that's not necessarily how i think. i'm just saying, from the outside, how important are foye's 20 minutes a night really going to be? teams don't vault themselves into title contention by upgrading their 8th man in the rotation.

is foye better than bell? clearly. i just think that if you look at the jazz's summer through more objective glasses, you'll see the jazz getting rid of their flawed, middle-of-the-pack talent to try some new flawed, middle-of-the-pack talent.
 
Nerd Wrote:
these aren't necessarily my views, but i can see how someone might sum up our offseason this way:
* replaced CJ with marvin: swapped a 25-year old guy who has failed to live up to his potential for a 25 year old guy who has failed to live up to his potential.
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I realize you are more or less playing devil's advocate in regards to what outsiders may be thinking, but I think this one is a big stretch.

Marvin's greatest sin was being the #2 overall pick ahead of guys like Chris Paul and D-Will. Not only that, but Atlanta pretty quickly burried him as the 4th option on that team. Do I think Marvin was worth the #2 overall pick? No, but I also think his situation in Atlanta was far from ideal. No, he hasn't hit on all of his potential, but I see him as a very clear upgrade over CJ. It's easy to say that neither has lived up to the hype, but I would argue that Marvin playing at 70% of his potential is much better than CJ playing at 70% of his.
 
jazzman12 said:
Nerd Wrote:


I realize you are more or less playing devil's advocate in regards to what outsiders may be thinking, but I think this one is a big stretch.

Marvin's greatest sin was being the #2 overall pick ahead of guys like Chris Paul and D-Will. Not only that, but Atlanta pretty quickly burried him as the 4th option on that team. Do I think Marvin was worth the #2 overall pick? No, but I also think his situation in Atlanta was far from ideal. No, he hasn't hit on all of his potential, but I see him as a very clear upgrade over CJ. It's easy to say that neither has lived up to the hype, but I would argue that Marvin playing at 70% of his potential is much better than CJ playing at 70% of his.
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yes i am playing devil's advocate, and to be honest, marvin is the acquisition i am the most excited about. BUT, if you take all the frustration out of your asseessment of CJ, it's not like the two are light-years apart.

career scoring rate are very close (CJ 15 pp36, marvin 13), career PER are 12.2 CJ and 13.8 marvin. both are seven years in with almost identical eFG% (.477 vs. .474). marvin is a little better rebound on a per-36 basis, cj is a little better on assists. they're in a dead heat on blocks, and CJ has a lead on steals per 36.

i mean, look... i personally think marvin has more potential... but if we're sitting where aldridge sits, it'd be easy to say "they're just trying someone else's junk and hoping it becomes their treasure." the burden of proof is very much on marvin to prove he just needs a scenery change to take the next step.
 
I predict that Ray Allen will not play as well in the playoffs for the Heat as Miller and Battier did last year.
 
I think the biggest boost that Marvin will give us is in perimeter defense. He is a guy who is a big, true SF... something CJ wasn't. So, while the stats look lateral, it isn't exactly a lateral move. (I know you understand this, Nerd. I just sayin'.)
 
NAOS said:
I think the biggest boost that Marvin will give us is in perimeter defense. He is a guy who is a big, true SF... something CJ wasn't. So, while the stats look lateral, it isn't exactly a lateral move. (I know you understand this, Nerd. I just sayin'.)
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i do understand it, and i'm more excited about marvin than i am about mo, foye or murph. but again, the jazz didn't make any over-the-top moves. with marvin, they improved their 5th option. with foye they improved the 7th/8th man slot. if i were an NBA analyst with no affiliation to the jazz, i'd be looking and saying, "hmm, they made what might be some nice chemistry moves... but they're still only going to be as good as millsap/favors/hayward (OK, and i'll even include al) take them."
 
In hindsight, Allen's numbers look good. What's the deal though? I remember how much he struggled to hit the broad side of a barn in the playoffs and I thought that was written off due to him being banged up/injured???
 
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