Twin Towers
Well-Known Member
Darkwing
There are so many different variables that you cannot hold the claim that 1 person is better by stats. Its impossible. Its like in Economics where people try to predict human action when there are too many variables to determine that to prove something as fact. Math doesn't solve problems that have so many variables like this scenario. Can they give us an idea yes of course but you cannot go solely on stats.
Foye
The Jazz don't run the old style play where the point guard dominates the ball. It is different than what Sloan ran. Corbin's offense is spread out like a triangle offense almost when we are not running motion. Which was a lot last year. So comparing point guard play from different teams creates so many variables. Plus that was not Foye's defined role at any time. He was always on teams where they signed him to be the SG. He only played point in rare occasions.
I am not making the claim that your wrong that Foye cannot play the PG position.
But you have to be able to submit that Harris had tons of wide open 3 point shots and missed A LOT! Or that Harris stood on the 3 point line a lot also not doing much. Which is exactly what Foye would be doing in a limited role.
Tinsely vs Watson
A lot of Tinsely's minutes for half the year was playing with our worst players on the bench. He didn't play with the 2nd string at first.
Also Watson had a lot of minutes playing with the starters because of Devin Harris's injuries. So that will boost the point production. While during those injuries Tinsely was playing with the 2nd unit compared to Watson with the 1st.
Stats do not make things black and white. If there are not many variables than stats can be very beneficial. Just like using the scientific(logic) method to determine something. During the hypothesis stage you have to change 1 variable at a time(we cannot do that in this scenario). When you have this many variables you cannot prove it. There is not enough information to come to a conclusion that 1 is better than the other through stats. Its impossible. Just like you cannot say 1 PG is a better passer than the other because they average more assists per game. So many variables that determine that. Now if you had the same point guards playing with the exact same players than you could. But it is all heresay.
My opinion on this matter cannot be proven either though. Its all based on observation and heresay.
Tinsley to me did a better job at shooting from the outside(not much better) while he also ran the pick and roll better and slashing. He seemed to keep the ball moving more.
Watson was a better defender but he lacked the outside shot and he had trouble finishing and he held the ball too much.
But again mine is heresay also. My only objection is using stats as the absolute does not work. Just like my observation is not an absolute either. Never ending discussion.
There are so many different variables that you cannot hold the claim that 1 person is better by stats. Its impossible. Its like in Economics where people try to predict human action when there are too many variables to determine that to prove something as fact. Math doesn't solve problems that have so many variables like this scenario. Can they give us an idea yes of course but you cannot go solely on stats.
Foye
The Jazz don't run the old style play where the point guard dominates the ball. It is different than what Sloan ran. Corbin's offense is spread out like a triangle offense almost when we are not running motion. Which was a lot last year. So comparing point guard play from different teams creates so many variables. Plus that was not Foye's defined role at any time. He was always on teams where they signed him to be the SG. He only played point in rare occasions.
I am not making the claim that your wrong that Foye cannot play the PG position.
But you have to be able to submit that Harris had tons of wide open 3 point shots and missed A LOT! Or that Harris stood on the 3 point line a lot also not doing much. Which is exactly what Foye would be doing in a limited role.
Tinsely vs Watson
A lot of Tinsely's minutes for half the year was playing with our worst players on the bench. He didn't play with the 2nd string at first.
Also Watson had a lot of minutes playing with the starters because of Devin Harris's injuries. So that will boost the point production. While during those injuries Tinsely was playing with the 2nd unit compared to Watson with the 1st.
Stats do not make things black and white. If there are not many variables than stats can be very beneficial. Just like using the scientific(logic) method to determine something. During the hypothesis stage you have to change 1 variable at a time(we cannot do that in this scenario). When you have this many variables you cannot prove it. There is not enough information to come to a conclusion that 1 is better than the other through stats. Its impossible. Just like you cannot say 1 PG is a better passer than the other because they average more assists per game. So many variables that determine that. Now if you had the same point guards playing with the exact same players than you could. But it is all heresay.
My opinion on this matter cannot be proven either though. Its all based on observation and heresay.
Tinsley to me did a better job at shooting from the outside(not much better) while he also ran the pick and roll better and slashing. He seemed to keep the ball moving more.
Watson was a better defender but he lacked the outside shot and he had trouble finishing and he held the ball too much.
But again mine is heresay also. My only objection is using stats as the absolute does not work. Just like my observation is not an absolute either. Never ending discussion.
