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How does Blake Griffin stack up against Karl Malone and other similar big men?

Yeah I can't agree with everything there but it doesn't seem like Griffin is advancing his game like he should. He has a ways to go but he also has time to get there. I think Magic and Tim Duncan were the only ones I've seen enter the NBA ready to win. If Griffin had no basketball IQ though he wouldn't be able to fill the stat sheet like he does. He would be a player similar to Jeremy Evans. I dunno if Griffin has the fire to win like he should.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
That's the problem. Blake has shown no desire to play defense, what so ever.
Does that mean that he never will? No, obviously it doesn't.
Griffin so far, has shown that he 'could' have spectacular basketball ability, but....

1. He's lazy, and hasn't shown any improvement on his inside game, mid range game, or free throw shot.

2. He's an L.A. player, and seems to me (for the time being anyway) that he's lost in that L.A. spotlight a little bit.

3. Ally-oops might be the strongest part of his game, and maybe always will be. That is, until he gets older.

4. He has absolutely no basketball IQ at this point, although I think Chris Paul will help him immensely on that.

5. He's sort of a sideshow attraction at this point, considering jumping over a car has been the pinnacle of his success.
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squareinthecircle said:
Yeah I can't agree with everything there but it doesn't seem like Griffin is advancing his game like he should. He has a ways to go but he also has time to get there. I think Magic and Tim Duncan were the only ones I've seen enter the NBA ready to win. If Griffin had no basketball IQ though he wouldn't be able to fill the stat sheet like he does. He would be a player similar to Jeremy Evans. I dunno if Griffin has the fire to win like he should.
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I don't understand these two posts. You both make it seem like his lazy. I see the exact opposite. I see Blake working his *** off and diving for lose balls. He hustles for all the rebounds he can too.

Also don't forget he has only played two years and is already a 21 and 11 guy. I think people are just ignoring the stats I put up on the front page. I don't see how a no skill, no hustle, only can dunk guy is already putting up better numbers than just about every power forward in the league. IN ONLY HIS SECOND YEAR. LOL. What in the world am I missing here?
 
northeast said:
oh come on.

Sam Cassell
Bill Walton
Andre Kirilenko
Amare Stoudamire
James Worthy
Rondo
Matthews

Probably about a thousand others
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Yeah Amare is a real winner. Other than Walton you listed role players. From a certain perspective everyone but Kwame came ready to win- they wouldn't have argued about it anyway right?
 
squareinthecircle said:
Blocking shots doesn't make one an elite defender. Blocking 2 shots a game might impress these days but in the 90s it was common. To get someone to block 2 a game now all you need is desire and work, it's not as impossible as some might believe. Shot blocking is a rhythm thing that many never get but Griffin has proven athleticism and if he wanted to I'm certain he could.
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Of course he could. The track record for guys who start out like he has defensively is certainly not pointing in that direction though.
 
squareinthecircle said:
Yeah Amare is a real winner. Other than Walton you listed role players. From a certain perspective everyone but Kwame came ready to win- they wouldn't have argued about it anyway right?
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They were all winners... maybe it took time for their teams to fully utilize their talents, and / or for the refs to give them respect, but they were all clutch as soon as they came into the league. They were all on top of their games in their first year in the league, (maybe second in some cases, but mostly right away, first year.) .
They were all key players for playoff teams right away, and most of them were allstars, so your definition of "role players" does not carry the stigma you want it to as far as I am concerned. Even if they were role players, so what? Every team needs good role players to win, not everybody can be the shot hog.
 
northeast said:
They were all winners... maybe it took time for their teams to fully utilize their talents, and / or for the refs to give them respect, but they were all clutch as soon as they came into the league. They were all on top of their games in their first year in the league, (maybe second in some cases, but mostly right away, first year.) .
They were all key players for playoff teams right away, and most of them were allstars, so your definition of "role players" does not carry the stigma you want it to as far as I am concerned. Even if they were role players, so what? Every team needs good role players to win, not everybody can be the shot hog.
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The difference is I think more is being expected of Griffin than most on that list. I'm not picking on him, but he hasn't delivered a championship in his first couple for years, especially in Batman role.

And I don't believe there are many players coming into the league ready to win at the highest level (conference championship, NBA finals). Took Jordan and most others several years to understand how it's done.
 
Hack said:
I don't understand these two posts. You both make it seem like his lazy. I see the exact opposite. I see Blake working his *** off and diving for lose balls. He hustles for all the rebounds he can too.

Also don't forget he has only played two years and is already a 21 and 11 guy. I think people are just ignoring the stats I put up on the front page. I don't see how a no skill, no hustle, only can dunk guy is already putting up better numbers than just about every power forward in the league. IN ONLY HIS SECOND YEAR. LOL. What in the world am I missing here?
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He is lazy, and that's why he loves to try to take so many charges.
There's a reason everybody outside of L.A. calls them "Flop City".

Yeah I know his numbers are good, but he also gets 35 plus minutes a game.
I'm not saying the guy has no skill, or hustle.
I said the guy has no basketball IQ yet.
Also, he won't be putting up such numbers when he goes against Derrick Favors in those 35 mins per either.
 
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squareinthecircle said:
The difference is I think more is being expected of Griffin than most on that list. I'm not picking on him, but he hasn't delivered a championship in his first couple for years, especially in Batman role.

And I don't believe there are many players coming into the league ready to win at the highest level (conference championship, NBA finals). Took Jordan and most others several years to understand how it's done.
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I didn't hear one expert or person expect the Clippers to win ANYTHING when they got Griffin. Once they got Chris Paul, they were expected to be a solid playoff team (which they have been).
 
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