OKC Trade is a glimpse into our future

[orangello]

I almost feel sorry for ya..

Harden, against NBA defenses last year .. 49% FG, 39% from 3, 85% FT.
Lamb, aginst college defenses last year .. 47% FG, 33% from 3, 81% FT.

I've made no decisions, but glad to see you're so confident .. based on???

Keep it up. The Lamb homers here are just crazy.

 

[orangello]

Here are his U-19 numbers

Games(9) FG M/A/%(59/140/42.1) 2pt M/A/%(49/106/46.2) 3pt M/A/%(10/34/29.4) FT M/A/%(18/23/78.3)

 

[franklin]

It sounds like Harden was a greedy ****. The thunder offered him $55.5 over 4 years, 4.5 less than what Houston will give him. Not many players ever get the opportunity to play on a championship quality team. Ask Malone and Stockton how much they would pay for that opportunity. Now he's in Houston playing on an abysmal team that will not make the Playoffs. I understand it's 4.5 million dollars, but when you've already got $55.5, why not take the better working conditions unless you don't care?

Been thinking about how you've put this across multiple threads. How much do you suppose endorsements in a large market vs. one of the smallest has come into play? $1.25mm per is not worth the championship tradeoff. There has to be more dollars coming or something regarding league respect.

 

[BYE]

Been thinking about how you've put this across multiple threads. How much do you suppose endorsements in a large market vs. one of the smallest has come into play? $1.25mm per is not worth the championship tradeoff. There has to be more dollars coming or something regarding league respect.

There's no question that money was the driving factor here. If he's the man in Houston, he'll definitely get more in local endorsements. If he's incredible, the money could be many times better with Houston mainly because he is the main guy. One thing is for certain, if you are an elite NBA player, it makes not difference where you're playing; you'll rake in the cash and endorsements. It's also how you're branding yourself as well. Take a look at the top commercial teams and players. I think local market makes a bigger difference for second tier players. https://hoopshype.com/commercials.htm

Note that OKC and San Antonio are 3 and 4 respectively. Also, Houston has only 4 commercials (below Utah). Harden is already in 4 commercials (as many as the entire Rockets team so far).

 

[Dr. Jones]

So let's get back to the real issue. Is this good or bad for my fantasy team? (I have Harden)

 

[Ben10]

So let's get back to the real issue. Is this good or bad for my fantasy team? (I have Harden)

I'd have to say its good. He is going to get more Run, More shots, and put up better stats. His percentages might go down a little but everything else should increase

 

[zman1527]

There is no downside to having 'too many' good players.

So its great that the Jazz have 4 good bigs and therefore some will not get enough court time and that the youngins won't get as much time as they need and deserve? You CAN have too many at one position.

 

[Zulu]

So let's get back to the real issue. Is this good or bad for my fantasy team? (I have Harden)

Yeah you hit a home run.... U suck!!

But I got Ibaka and this should help.... Right???

 

[NUMBERICA]

So its great that the Jazz have 4 good bigs and therefore some will not get enough court time and that the youngins won't get as much time as they need and deserve? You CAN have too many at one position.

Only if you don't have the nuts to make a trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Ugh no **** there's no downside to having good players on the basketball court. But this OKC situation is a parable as to what may happen just in case you're, say, attached to our core four. Say what you want about "market value" but OKC and it's fans would have rather have kept Harden. Are you going to disagree with that? They took a step backwards. Whether or not it was 'market value' there are still numerous intangible things (familiarity, chemistry, off court chemistry) in addition to known-value things (how well Harden plays) lost from a team that just made the finals and wasn't too far off. If things were better managed it would not have come to that, spare me your Perkins love but the guy is obscenely overpaid. Furthermore even if we don't sign bad contracts there is a chance one of our guys gets to greedy and out prices himself from us, and we may have to make a similar move. Hence the Harden trade is a GLIMPSE INTO OUR FUTURE. Christ.

My Perkins love? Nice scarecrow. And how is the Harden trade a GLIMPSE INTO OUR FUTURE? We have some players that might end up being real good, and none that currently are. For the millionth time, if the Jazz have an MVP candidate they have to pay, a DPOY candidate they have to pay, one of the most explosive scorers in the league they have to pay, and the most efficient scorer in basketball they have to pay, that's good news. I'm sorry you think there's a downside to having to possibly trade a guy to get a haul in return.

Getting back to the Perkins thing, they want to keep him. They could've found a team that wanted him, and they could've amnestied him. They think it's more important to keep him for his salary than Harden at $15 million per year because they think they can fill the role he plays easier. I wouldn't have made the move they did, but they're the ones that did too good of a job building a team.

One last thing - and this is more general than simply a response to the post above - a guy wanting to get paid his market value is not villainous and it's offensive that people think it is. Like a guy is just supposed to be stoked to leave $6 million on the table that he'll never get back. None of you would do that if the situation was there. Absolutely none of you.

 

[NUMBERICA]

OKC simply decided that Harden wasn't worth near-max money. The deal sets them back until Lamb fills the void (if he ever does). Kevin Martin is pretty one-dimensional. If a few of our young players decide they want more money than our FO wants to pay, or if any of them want to play in a bigger market, or be "the man" on another team, the Jazz will have to make a move. Every team faces this. We're in that situation with Millsap right now, fwiw. That's why there's always got to be a back-up plan for any/every player who's becoming a FA.

Should have been Jae Crowder.

 

[Sneakers]

My Perkins love? Nice scarecrow. And how is the Harden trade a GLIMPSE INTO OUR FUTURE? We have some players that might end up being real good, and none that currently are. For the millionth time, if the Jazz have an MVP candidate they have to pay, a DPOY candidate they have to pay, one of the most explosive scorers in the league they have to pay, and the most efficient scorer in basketball they have to pay, that's good news. I'm sorry you think there's a downside to having to possibly trade a guy to get a haul in return.

Getting back to the Perkins thing, they want to keep him. They could've found a team that wanted him, and they could've amnestied him. They think it's more important to keep him for his salary than Harden at $15 million per year because they think they can fill the role he plays easier. I wouldn't have made the move they did, but they're the ones that did too good of a job building a team.

One last thing - and this is more general than simply a response to the post above - a guy wanting to get paid his market value is not villainous and it's offensive that people think it is. Like a guy is just supposed to be stoked to leave $6 million on the table that he'll never get back. None of you would do that if the situation was there. Absolutely none of you.

Ugh. You love to argue and are thick as a brick. The potential for an analogous situation is perfectly clear. So it may not be a point for point identical comparison but it doesn't need to be.