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Zimmerman/Martin Case

If it wasn't murder then it wasn't manslaughter. If he was defending himself, with Florida's "stand your ground" laws, he will not be convicted of anything. Despite the possibility he was the aggressor there's simply no way to prove that to the extent required for a murder/manslaughter conviction, especially since he did suffer injuries and there's no one alive to provide a first hand account to counter Zimmerman's story.

Zimmerman will walk, I'd put money on it.
 
If it wasn't murder then it wasn't manslaughter. If he was defending himself, with Florida's "stand your ground" laws, he will not be convicted of anything. Despite the possibility he was the aggressor there's simply no way to prove that to the extent required for a murder/manslaughter conviction, especially since he did suffer injuries and there's no one alive to provide a first hand account to counter Zimmerman's story.

Zimmerman will walk, I'd put money on it.

He'll definitely walk, but the prosecution has 0% chance if they go for anything other than manslaughter.
 

I just read your blog. Just a technical point I'd like to make, guns don't "go off," they're fired. To be certain, Zimmerman fired his gun at Martin with lethal intent.

There is a question in all this I don't really know the answer to. If Zimmerman was the aggressor and your story is fairly accurate, at what point does Zimmerman surrender his right to self-defense? If I can make a loose analogy, just because a girl is making out with you and wearing provocative clothes (or not wearing clothes) she retains the right to say "no" at any point. So, even if Zimmerman was following Martin and harassing him, does that mean he has surrendered his right to defend himself should Martin react to the harassment by attacking Zimmerman? Unless Zimmerman struck first Martin would have committed a crime by physically attacking Zimmerman, correct? So doesn't Zimmerman have the right to protect himself from an illegal physical attack?

Now, to me this is actually a big problem for supporters of individuals' right to self defense and by extension the right to use firearms for self defense. If I can basically taunt someone, sort of like the big brother poking at his little brother while saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you," then when the person being taunted responds I pull out my firearm and kill them and claim justified self defense. That's not okay in my book, even though I'm a very avid supporter of a person's right to defend them self. I think that's what may have happened in this case. I think a clearer guideline needs to be established based on this case.
 
Did the job, didn't it?

Luckily (or not depending on perspective). Cheap guns jam.

The last thing you want to do is hear 'click' if you're already taking an *** beating. I don't think a guy is likely to lighten up on you after you just unsuccessfully tried to shoot him.
 
He killed him, but he was also getting his *** beat, it will be tough if not impossible to convict him of anything above manslaughter.

That's about what I feel now.

I still believe if he would have just minded his own business he wouldn't be in this mess right now. Not sure how a grown man lets a 17 year old beat his *** that bad too.
 
I just read your blog. Just a technical point I'd like to make, guns don't "go off," they're fired. To be certain, Zimmerman fired his gun at Martin with lethal intent.

There is a question in all this I don't really know the answer to. If Zimmerman was the aggressor and your story is fairly accurate, at what point does Zimmerman surrender his right to self-defense? If I can make a loose analogy, just because a girl is making out with you and wearing provocative clothes (or not wearing clothes) she retains the right to say "no" at any point. So, even if Zimmerman was following Martin and harassing him, does that mean he has surrendered his right to defend himself should Martin react to the harassment by attacking Zimmerman? Unless Zimmerman struck first Martin would have committed a crime by physically attacking Zimmerman, correct? So doesn't Zimmerman have the right to protect himself from an illegal physical attack?

Now, to me this is actually a big problem for supporters of individuals' right to self defense and by extension the right to use firearms for self defense. If I can basically taunt someone, sort of like the big brother poking at his little brother while saying "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you," then when the person being taunted responds I pull out my firearm and kill them and claim justified self defense. That's not okay in my book, even though I'm a very avid supporter of a person's right to defend them self. I think that's what may have happened in this case. I think a clearer guideline needs to be established based on this case.

I accept your point about guns, but since I have no experience with them, I would not offer such a conclusion on my own.

I don't know where the legal line is or should be. As far as I'm concerned, morally and ethically, Zimmerman waived his claim to self-denfense when he became the aggressor, pursuing someone who was running away. If he had seen Martin committing a crime, though, I would probably have a different opinion on that.
 
I accept your point about guns, but since I have no experience with them, I would not offer such a conclusion on my own.

I don't know where the legal line is or should be. As far as I'm concerned, morally and ethically, Zimmerman waived his claim to self-denfense when he became the aggressor, pursuing someone who was running away. If he had seen Martin committing a crime, though, I would probably have a different opinion on that.

I agree that Zimmerman waived his right to self defense based on your narrative on your blog. Stalking children is a no no. I would expect any child to act irrationally (fight or flight) when they feel their life is in danger, which Trayvon easily could have.
 
Regardless of legal issues, what is really morally repugnant about this situation is that it's part of a larger narrative where private property is acquiring more value than human life. Even if Trayvon Martin was a burglar and even if he was looking to steal, do you have the moral right to go shoot him? And let's be honest, you take a gun with you, you're considering shooting someone. Unless you actually believe someone is a threat to your person, what business do you have playing vigilante? I see someone I think has stolen or is about to steal something, I call the police. I don't go looking to shoot them because I think my freaking hub caps are worth more than his life.

It's like this article I read a few days ago - https://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2012/11/26/20385281.html

Apparently, stealing two DVD players(that's what...50 dollar value today?) justifies the use of deadly force.
 
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