War With N. Korea?
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Are you serious? China has long propped up N. Korea. China loves the uneasiness between N. Korea and America and its allies and the resulting isolation of N. Korea.
Yeah, it might be over in a few days and the world will be shorter somewhere between 100,000 to a million or more human beings. But haha, U.S. nation building, what a joke.
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So china just enjoys to stir the pot?
I think he situation is a lil more complex then that. Besides, china has already begun to support n Korea less. In an actual war there is no way china would support n Korea. So those bases in Japan that you were referring to would be quite safe from china's navy.
I know I know, often we assume that if someone is communist that they must all think alike. The funny thing is, china wanted fellow communist Ho Chi Minh to end the Vietnam war ASAP. In fact, one of the problems right now in eastern Asia is that many companies looking for cheap(er) labor have left China and gone to Vietnam. This hasn't exactly helped their relations any despite both being communist countries. The same can be said of china and n. Korea. When push comes to shove and China's lil game of supporting n Korea turns sour, they'll push (as they are already doing) for them to cool their jets and chillax.
The last thing China wants is a nuclear war on their doorstep with their best trading partner (us) spending money on war and not on the crap they produce. However, an all out war might be something good for us. Finally we will refocus on science, maybe bring back manufacturing, finally get the government to spend and put people back to work (like ww 2), and unify this country.
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You've finally come to see the light. Our nation building is a complete joke and really needs to end. We can't afford anymore of this "charity." We're merely passing this debt onto our kids and grandchildren to pay off. How many more walls need to be built to remember those who should be alive today? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, sigh when will we learn? Lets focus on our own country, shall we? Let god deal with those others.
We do our best. Our armed forces have good intentions. But first and foremost, we don't have the god given right to mold countries in the image we believe is best for them. Secondly, peoples and cultures will act as they see fit. Look at Afghanistan! It was a **** hole 10 years ago and continues to be today. They don't want it man. Vietnam? Was a 20+ year affair. They flat out didnt want imperialism anymore and the "democratic" powers that be were horrible. You look at the regimes we have installed in Iraq and Afghanistan and they're just as corrupt, incompetent, and brutal as the ones we kicked out.
Leave those people alone and let them figure things out!
He funny thing is, N Korea makes these threats every 2-3 years and most people understand that it's nothing to get your panties in a knot over. So chillax, no need to become a drama queen, no N Korean is gonna push the red button bringing immediate death and destruction of their entire government upon their heads. The nuke has been a tremendous creation. Notice, countries with them use them as a bargains chip. Leverage. Using one now would mean certain death and destruction brought by nearly every country with a military on this planet. not even the N korean jackasses want that. Only 1 has actually ever used them in war. Do you know which country has done that?
Give the N Koreans a few bags of rice and they'll shut up for the next 2 years when they threaten everyone again. Rinse wash repeat
China jumped in last time there was war in Korea. Also I did not say the bases in Japan had to fear a Chinese attack. I said they would be used to counter the Chinese navy. Big difference. China has long been known to be propping up N. Korea. If you want to deny history than be my guest.
Maybe China just stands back and watches but maybe they don't. Any planning for N. Korea action should include planning for possible Chinese involvement.
I agree about the N. Korea threats and I thought the highly reported flight of stealth B2s by us was stupid and needlessly provacative.
I find it very entertaining that you of all people can accuse anyone of being a drama queen. Haha
It's seriously like you don't know anything about the situation on the Korean peninsula. N. Korea has conventional artillery in place that is within range of downtown Seoul. With this conventional artillery it is estimated that N. Korea could kill upwards of 100,000 people in Seoul, as well as causing massive damage to the city, in a matter of moments. No nukes required.
China and N. Korea are diplomatically very close. Maybe China does leave them blowing in the wind if TSHTF, but you can't know that. The only thing that keeps the people in N. Korea's beautiful communist utopia from starving to death are massive food shipments from China.
Plus there is the Korean war to use as a reference. In that war the N. Koreans were on the ropes and pushed all the way up against China. The U.S. overextended a little chasing the N. Korean army in full retreat right up until a massive flood of Chinese soldiers came south and pushed the U.S. clear back past where the current DMZ is.
N. Korea is a bad fit for U.S. nation building, mostly because S. Korea is wealthy and very technologically developed. It is one nation divided and I imagine if N. Korea were to be beaten into submission we'd just reunite the Koreas and let S. Korea figure it out. We already have a tense relationship with S. Korea. If we occupied N. Korea and tried to make it its own country they wouldn't stand for it.
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You don't think things have changed since the last time there was war in Korea? You honestly think China would still support N Korea in a war with the USA? Why? The soviets did too, think they'd support n Korea again?
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Even if no nukes were used China doesn't want that type of disruption so close to their border. Especially with the USA. So like you said, let history be your guide. If you still think that China is of their 50s mentality of isolation and extreme communism then be my guest. Otherwise , I think we need to come to grips that China has opened itself a lot and has changed since then. They no longer (just like the ruskies) are looking for a fight against the USA. Their leaders no longer need to talk tough against imperialistic powers to retain power. They are well established now. And economically doing well. They aren't going to be overthrown anytime soon. And shouldn't be. Slowly but surely China is becoming more and more democratic and western. Relations just from 20 years ago is a difference between night and day.
As far as not knowing whether N Korea is serious on their threats, again, let history be your guide. Every 2 years for the past 60 they have threatened S Korea and the USA in one form or another. Chillax folks.
Things have changed since WWII and the 50s. We no longer have generals wanting to nuke the entire Asian seaboard and China is no longer looking at a war with the USA. Nor would they rush to N koeea's aid this time (unless provoked by a MacArthur like surge into Chinese territory).
China has never been like Russia. I don't think China is backwards and isolationist. I think China is emerging as a superpower that will likely eventually be more powerful than the U.S.. They like (need) our money right now, but that doesn't mean they like us, or our aggressive support of their regional adversaries (Taiwan, Japan, S. Korea). We're not in any sort of cold war with them, but if you think our two nations aren't constantly maneuvering to gain/maintain the upper hand over one another I think you should look again.
There are differences this time. Sure, may mean nothing, but the consequences if they do mean it or if we have been blind to a larger gathering storm could be extremely catastrophic.
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Thats exactly what he wants you to think.