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PKM said:
(I good laughed)
I believe God shows up in simple truths much more than complex theories.
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well, however complex the universe and God may be, and whatever the advantages may be for comprehending it all, you are right.
 
One of my better friends is a pretty complete disbeliever in Mormonism. For reasons I find pretty understandable.

I told him God gave us a gift. ... . Life. . . . .

What we choose to return to Him in manner of life or belief, is our gift to Him.
 
babe said:
So, anyway, PKM, I sense you and I are somewhat on the same page. I see faith in others besides the LDS, and I see the problem with the LDS manner of exposition of their "faith". I think they do have faith, but they are over-doing the case sometimes. Not all, mostly the insecure "believers" who are not comfortable in their own skin, so to speak.
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Mostly agree.

The most truly believing believers I have ever known seemed to lack the interest in arguing their beliefs... as much as they did just trying to obey God and do their best to be kind to others.. knowing they will fall short of pleasing God through their works.. but rather those works being complimentary to the core principal we have a loving and gracious God.. and without those aspects of Him, we'd all fall short.

Bye for now... gotta put up 'new' hay.
 
Pretty clear, imo, from the teachings of Jesus, that no gift we can give will satisfy God unless it is sincerely from our heart.
 
babe said:
well, however complex the universe and God may be, and whatever the advantages may be for comprehending it all, you are right.
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My experience has always been that those things that are very complex are so because I just haven't learned yet how simple they really are.
 
PKM said:
Mostly agree.

The most truly believing believers I have ever known seemed to lack the interest in arguing their beliefs... as much as they did just trying to obey God and do their best to be kind to others.. knowing they will fall short of pleasing God through their works.. but rather those works being complimentary to the core principal we have a loving and gracious God.. and without those aspects of Him, we'd all fall short.

Bye for now... gotta put up 'new' hay.
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Thanks for the effort. We put this thread over the 2500 mark this morning. Have a good day.
 
babe said:
One of my better friends is a pretty complete disbeliever in Mormonism. For reasons I find pretty understandable.

I told him God gave us a gift. ... . Life. . . . .

What we choose to return to Him in manner of life or belief, is our gift to Him.
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I have had very nice friendships with devout atheists.. mainly because I express how similar we really are, rather than how vastly different.
Example I've used is we each have a little girl, that had a nightmare and is crying in her bed in the middle of the night. Neither of us would just forsake her and let her cry. Both of us would go to her, both would comfort, both would likely be effective in making her feel better.. the only slight difference is I may have prayed for her.. and gave the glory to God for her feeling and sleeping better.. whereas the atheist doesn't pray and gives the glory to self.. in the end, the result could be identical, which makes our lives very similar....
 
PKM said:
Example I've used is we each have a little girl, that had a nightmare and is crying in her bed in the middle of the night. Neither of us would just forsake her and let her cry. Both of us would go to her, both would comfort, both would likely be effective in making her feel better.. the only slight difference is I may have prayed for her.. and gave the glory to God for her feeling and sleeping better.. whereas the atheist doesn't pray and gives the glory to self.. in the end, the result could be identical, which makes our lives very similar....
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Personally, I don't feel much "glory" for simply having a little empathy. At best, it makes me "not psychotic".
 
What an interesting thread! I feel regret that I haven't paid more attention to it until now. Mistake corrected.

Neutral agnostic here.
 
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