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AKMVP said:
I still do not understand the need for guns for all those responsible people. Is daily american life so dangerous that you need a gun in 88% of households? I get it if you work some night shifts in downtown of big city or live in bad area, but for average Joe Smith somewhere in Hayden, Idaho - why would he need a gun???
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Who said everyone owned guns to kill people or for protection alone? 90% of the guns in my home are for hunting/target shooting... Gun control extremists just don't understand. People can own them for recreation or collection.
 
reignman40 said:
Who said everyone owned guns to kill people or for protection alone? 90% of the guns in my home are for hunting/target shooting... Gun control extremists just don't understand. People can own them for recreation or collection.
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So what is the purpose of the remaining 10%?
 
DutchJazzer said:
LOL
more potential places for mass shootings!

did you know that all except 1 mass shooting happened in a gun free zone.
the one was an assasination attempt gone wrong
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What is your solution then? Do you agree that you guys have a problem?
 
DutchJazzer said:
STOP BLAMING THE FRICKIN guns.

STOP.

it is STUPID to blame the gun
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I think everybody agrees that guns itself are not the problem. But when you leading developed countries by gun related injuries, accidental death by firearms, children death by firearms and by number of guns per household then I think you guys have a problem.
 
Nate505 said:
It seems to have worked? Based on what?
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As I thought, you has your questions answered, and came back with more question, but you don care enough to actually find out what the answers are. If these are answered, there will be other pointed questions, and you won't care enough to research those answers, either. What a fun game.

The only thing you're basing it on is mass shootings. Not on availability or if access is much harder, or if there are any side effects associated with the ban, such as an increase in home invasions. It's like saying that prohibition against booze worked in the 20s because consumption decreased, and ignoring the fact that booze wasn't impossible to get during that time or that crime caused by prohibition increased.

The last part just spouts off a bunch of statistics and doesn't answer the questions at all. The murder rate is worse in the US than Australia? No kidding, who didn't know that. Does Australia have any areas that resemble Detroit? I doubt it.
 
One Brow said:
As I thought, you has your questions answered, and came back with more question, but you don care enough to actually find out what the answers are. If these are answered, there will be other pointed questions, and you won't care enough to research those answers, either. What a fun game.
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And as I thought, you can't back up your claims. You make claims yet you can't answer any questions about your claims, and you don't care enough to find out what the rationale is behind your claims are. You're right, it is a fun game.
 
Nate505 said:
And as I thought, you can't back up your claims. You make claims yet you can't answer any questions about your claims, and you don't care enough to find out what the rationale is behind your claims are. You're right, it is a fun game.
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I claimed that there was a successful ban, and provided evidence for it. I said it reduced mass shootings, and provided evidence for it. Somewhere in that 90-page gun control thread, I provided evidence that crimes without guns are less deadly than crimes committed with guns. I have made no claims and raised no questions about rates of crimes in cities in Australia, that's your riff. Not only is tu quoque a fallacy, but in this case it's not even accurate.

Frankly, I haven't seen any good evidence on the link between gun control and crime rates. As far as I know, there may be no connection at all. Gun control seems to make crimes (and suicide attempts) less deadly, though.
 
Stoked said:
Basically you think people are stupid for not seeing it your way. Very enlightened of you...
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I am assuming (perhaps mistakenly) that, although a post of mine was quoted in this post, that the comment was directed at the poster that I was responding to, and not to me.

On the chance that it was directed at me, let me rebut by stating that it is my firm opinion that there are very few people on the board who are dumber than me, so I do not think disagreement=stupidity.
 
Bronco70 said:
I am assuming (perhaps mistakenly) that, although a post of mine was quoted in this post, that the comment was directed at the poster that I was responding to, and not to me.

On the chance that it was directed at me, let me rebut by stating that it is my firm opinion that there are very few people on the board who are dumber than me, so I do not think disagreement=stupidity.
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You are correct, my post was not directed at you.
 
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