Does it include "Suffering is good for the soul" notion?
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Does it include "Suffering is good for the soul" notion?
This one is a gem:
Right in the groove with Jesus' teaching that an evil man cannot do good, and the American saying that "even the ploughing and planting of an evil man is evil". Because when the purpose of the heart is evil, everything that follows will be darkened by that evil purpose.
when the purpose of government officers is to impose upon the people, their way is evil as well. . . . even if they have all the bells and whistles of a nanny state.
Right in the groove with Jesus' teaching that an evil man cannot do good, and the American saying that "even the ploughing and planting of an evil man is evil". Because when the purpose of the heart is evil, everything that follows will be darkened by that evil purpose.
when the purpose of government officers is to impose upon the people, their way is evil as well. . . . even if they have all the bells and whistles of a nanny state.
I like Gandhi's formulation of human suffering better than the common Christian notion that we must suffer for the good of our souls in this life. While Christ did run out the parable of the leper who in life sat in misery at the gate of the rich man, compared to the rich man who in life had everything. . . . and how in the next life the roles were to be reversed. . . . , Gandhi clearly makes it a duty of a conquering spirit to disregard the injustices anyone can impose upon us, considering it a triumph that we can have our minds, our conscience, and our integrity of soul. . . . but he also borrowed that idea from Jesus, though I wonder if it hasn't been a conclusion of old religions for ages.
and yes, if we will consider the way we do, even in our national or political life, the purpose to turn things to something better is a national "repentance". For India to seek national sovereignty is essentially the same thing we need to do today. . . . seek a return of our government to the principle of government deriviing its just powers from the consent of the people. Taking a serious look at how our corporate cartelists are exploiting their disproportionate influences, and making a determined course to break that stranglehold on our nation.
Gandhi and his ideas are actually very close to me, or rather, they are notions that are similar to the ones that I've been raised among, so I feel familiar. I was raised by a small branch of a dergah which followed the teachings of two great Anatolian philosophers, Haji Bektash Veli and Rumi(you might heard of him).
It was kind of a small sect that compiled the teachings of them and made kind of a synthesis in the cause of uniting the people of the two side. Which is kind of ironic because both Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli were the people of high principles much like Gandhi and they actually were not against each other by any means. But was it like that to their followers? Although they generally talk high of each others, one could see that they did not like each others genuinely. Even in my dergah folks would argue about their differences and soon enough they would divide and form different parties in any given matter.
Today I've chosen a different way and proclaimed myself as a free soul and I want to be not linked to any one or any being but God.
Anyway, I'm telling all these, because shortly before, I read a quote of Gandhi that says "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Which is also current and can be said for Gandhi followers(referring the disputes in India), just like Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli followers. Because after all these great man are gone, the followers most likely become almost their antitheticals.
So shortly, I like Gandhi, but I do not like his followers. That been said, of course I would have no problems with someone who is studying him(like you do, babe), especially if he is sharing out what he discovers the way babe does.
It was kind of a small sect that compiled the teachings of them and made kind of a synthesis in the cause of uniting the people of the two side. Which is kind of ironic because both Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli were the people of high principles much like Gandhi and they actually were not against each other by any means. But was it like that to their followers? Although they generally talk high of each others, one could see that they did not like each others genuinely. Even in my dergah folks would argue about their differences and soon enough they would divide and form different parties in any given matter.
Today I've chosen a different way and proclaimed myself as a free soul and I want to be not linked to any one or any being but God.
Anyway, I'm telling all these, because shortly before, I read a quote of Gandhi that says "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Which is also current and can be said for Gandhi followers(referring the disputes in India), just like Rumi and Haji Bektash Veli followers. Because after all these great man are gone, the followers most likely become almost their antitheticals.
So shortly, I like Gandhi, but I do not like his followers. That been said, of course I would have no problems with someone who is studying him(like you do, babe), especially if he is sharing out what he discovers the way babe does.
This is actually the kind of response I am always fishing for. Someone who can tell me something from their own experience in life, and give me something to think about. I'll be doing some reading on these philosophers and the people you mention.
It's the common thing with human beings for closely related people in thinking or space to develop special issues amongst themselves. . . . like Jazz Fans arguing about management decisions and who should have the ball in their hands. . . . it's not all bad. . . . it means we actually do care.
I have viewed basketball as a game meant for thinkers and those who will work to develop basic as well as special skills. . . . that's why I like to play it. . . . it always gives me something to work on.
Thanks, I wish I had the writing ability of yours, I'd share a lot more then. But it's difficult for me to write on higher level subjects in deeper conversations.
babe said:
Agreed.
babe said:
Nice to know you're also playing basketball. One could think that you'd never get away from your desk.
Thanks, I wish I had the writing ability of yours, I'd share a lot more then. But it's difficult for me to write on higher level subjects in deeper conversations.
Agreed.
Nice to know you're also playing basketball. One could think that you'd never get away from your desk.
Feels more like I never get a chance to sit down and type something. . . . lol
I see you sometimes hold forth in Turkish or whatever you call it. . . . and the sentence structure looks like a pretty complex sort of expression. I suppose if I wanted to read it I could get a translation ap or something, maybe even just conveniently click some button or another. . . . or google some tutorial Turk site. Are there very many Turks coming into JazzFanz reading this site??? I mean, do you have a following of sorts to serve using your language?