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Dr. Jones

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I may make this a several part post so as not to lose the attention of those that don't like reading posts with multiple sentences.

Anyway, call it more of a gut feel, but I am getting a feel for who stays, who goes, what we do in the draft, trades, and FA.
Wow.. we have a brazillian options in front of us.

So I'm going to skip to the very end and over the coming days will explain why I feel the way I do.

Who stays;
Burke
Hayward
Rush
Kanter
Gobert
Harris

Favors and Burks get traded.
Between those trades, the available cap space/FA, and the draft, we pick up;
1) veteran stud PG (trade or FA)
2) defensive center (gsw pick netting Embiid or WCS - or from trade/FA)
3) A versatile scoring forward with our own pick (Randle or Parker)

Ty fired toward end of season or off season.

I know this post will be replied to with much vitriol.. it's okay. I have thick skin.. say what you mean and let's have some healthy debate and figure this out. Then we can look back and see how well we, collectively, saw the strategy.
(Again, I'll defend my thoughts as to how I arrived at the above predictions shortly.)
 
So we keep Burke, but also go after a stud pg (who by the way?)? Does this mean you see Burke as a career backup?

Good thread idea btw.
 
The Jazz are not going to trade Favors unless they decide in one season he can't defend the post. Kanter will have to have help inside defending and rebounding so I don't see that happening. The real issue is whether they see GH as a number 1 or 2 option or if they get themselves in a position to draft one of the great wings in the draft. GH could be let go in some scenarios based upon what he wants in salary. I do agree that the young core we have will need to be split up at some point just based upon salary cap.
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
So we keep Burke, but also go after a stud pg (who by the way?)? Does this mean you see Burke as a career backup?

Good thread idea btw.
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I see needing a great PG next year to emerge from the tank and keep the fans from getting to restless. Burke isn't quite ready for that role yet, imo. Also, with all the options at our disposal, and regardless our record this year, I see a real possibility of us being very good next year.. depending upon what moves we make, obvi.
 
gomretat said:
The Jazz are not going to trade Favors unless they decide in one season he can't defend the post. Kanter will have to have help inside defending and rebounding so I don't see that happening. The real issue is whether they see GH as a number 1 or 2 option or if they get themselves in a position to draft one of the great wings in the draft. GH could be let go in some scenarios based upon what he wants in salary. I do agree that the young core we have will need to be split up at some point just based upon salary cap.
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I suspect the FO may see getting a similar player in someone like Embiid et al for less money. He has to be bringing it with consistency, at the very least, if he's to be a fairly one-dimensional player.
 
I can't disagree with anything you have said so far (apart from giving Corbin most of the season, he needs to go now).

For me the most disappointing players have been Favors and Burks but for completely opposite reasons.

Where is the fire Favors? There have been couple of games where he really makes a quick decision that he wants to be a threat offensively and everytime he does he looks good. I saw that a couple of times last night but then he went back to coasting. Hayward and Kanter are having a hard time carrying the offensive load.

Burks needs to stop forcing things. I think the idea of him coming off the bench has backfired on the team. It's almost like he believes that he has to do everything and that has caused the most ridiculous TO's and forced shots. He is not really playing within the team when he is out there. The first game of the season has been a bit of a curse because Burks believes that he can do that every game but he has not been able to duplicate that success.


My last thought is that there is a real chance the players have quit on Corbin. Can you blame them? The track record is not great and instead of it getting better it seems to get worse. I watch each game with the hope that a team identity shows up and I just don't see it. That is not a player problem, that is a coaching problem.

For the record, I have no problem with losses. I knew it was coming and I can handle it. What I can't handle is the lack of effort, identity and progression. Again, those things are on the players but the coaches don't seem to be anything to correct it.
 
orangello said:
Burks needs to stop forcing things. I think the idea of him coming off the bench has backfired on the team. It's almost like he believes that he has to do everything and that has caused the most ridiculous TO's and forced shots. He is not really playing within the team when he is out there. The first game of the season has been a bit of a curse because Burks believes that he can do that every game but he has not been able to duplicate that success.
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1. dude finally get some minutes, so the level of happiness exceeds
2. bad coaching
 
PKM said:
I may make this a several part post so as not to lose the attention of those that don't like reading posts with multiple sentences.

Anyway, call it more of a gut feel, but I am getting a feel for who stays, who goes, what we do in the draft, trades, and FA.
Wow.. we have a brazillian options in front of us.

So I'm going to skip to the very end and over the coming days will explain why I feel the way I do.

Who stays;
Burke
Hayward
Rush
Kanter
Gobert
Harris

Favors and Burks get traded.
Between those trades, the available cap space/FA, and the draft, we pick up;
1) veteran stud PG (trade or FA)
2) defensive center (gsw pick netting Embiid or WCS - or from trade/FA)
3) A versatile scoring forward with our own pick (Randle or Parker)

Ty fired toward end of season or off season.

I know this post will be replied to with much vitriol.. it's okay. I have thick skin.. say what you mean and let's have some healthy debate and figure this out. Then we can look back and see how well we, collectively, saw the strategy.
(Again, I'll defend my thoughts as to how I arrived at the above predictions shortly.)
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I actually like

Could stud pg be Rondo, please?
 
Sexual Favors said:
I actually like
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Ditto.


Let's be honest, if Gobert can add a little more size and strength (so he is not pushed around so easily) then we would want him playing 30 or so minutes a night. Also, Gobert is the only TRUE center that the Jazz have on the roster.
 
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