Lame duck head coach. Writing was on the wall from the start

[HighlandHomie]

It's really a damn shame we haven't had a young, capable head coach the last year and a half developing the young Jazz talent the proper way. Everything about this season has been a train wreck.

Obviously the odds were very meager that this roster could make the playoffs, but things could be going a lot better under a different coaching staff even if it's not directly reflected in the W-L column. It's not worth re-hashing everything that makes Corbin such a bad coach, but it was definitely worth making another anti-Corbin thread for the mere fact that this board's content must be as repetitively depressing as the actual Jazz product is on the court.

The Rockets game was truly embarrassing to watch for a Jazz fan.

To make matters even worse, a player who has no business even being on the roster decided to put on an act as the game ended to show "he's going to 'fight' until the final buzzer' in order to portray the image he's trying to send a message to not only the Rockets, but more importantly - the Jazz. But we've seen that chump enough to know he ain't on ****. Even if he was genuine, not one member of the Jazz bench (players or coaches) shared remotely the same sentiment as JL3 was putting on after Rockets shot a three up 5000 and lazily dribbled out the clock.

That's proof of no unity. Unity within a team starts with the coach/leader in all walks of life.

 

[Stifle Tower]

What if I told you the Jazz already have a coach in mind who is highly respected by both those in the Jazz as well as the Spurs organizations, is known for working with young players, has won a D-League championship with one team and was very successful with another and has family ties to Jerry Sloan?

 

[mellow]

But core, if he is already on board this steaming pile of a staff, will the players believe he is credible?

And will the millers flinch when it comes time to do something that not even dear old dad could ever do....let a coach go?

Or what if they panic and decide they can't experiment again with an unproven coach?

 

[The Midnight]

What if I told you the Jazz already have a coach in mind who is highly respected by both those in the Jazz as well as the Spurs organizations, is known for working with young players, has won a D-League championship with one team and was very successful with another and has family ties to Jerry Sloan?

Seriously?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz started the season with the worst record in 40 years of franchise history. Clearly the goal was to lose and continue to build through the draft. Corbin, Biedrins, Jefferson, etc. were all part of that blueprint.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Seriously?

Yup.

Continuing a recent trend, Jones had been employed by the Spurs' organization as the head coach of the 2012 D-League champion Austin Toros. Jones, the nephew of Jerry Sloan's late wife, Bobbye Sloan, was a Jazz scout from 2001-07 and coached the Flash from 2007-10.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/765602162/Utah-Jazz-Michael-Sanders-promoted-to-assistant-coach-Brad-Jones-hired-as-assistant-coachplayer.html?pg=all

 

[zman1527]

It's really a damn shame we haven't had a young, capable head coach the last year and a half developing the young Jazz talent the proper way. Everything about this season has been a train wreck.

Obviously the odds were very meager that this roster could make the playoffs, but things could be going a lot better under a different coaching staff even if it's not directly reflected in the W-L column. It's not worth re-hashing everything that makes Corbin such a bad coach, but it was definitely worth making another anti-Corbin thread for the mere fact that this board's content must be as repetitively depressing as the actual Jazz product is on the court.

The Rockets game was truly embarrassing to watch for a Jazz fan.

To make matters even worse, a player who has no business even being on the roster decided to put on an act as the game ended to show "he's going to 'fight' until the final buzzer' in order to portray the image he's trying to send a message to not only the Rockets, but more importantly - the Jazz. But we've seen that chump enough to know he ain't on ****. Even if he was genuine, not one member of the Jazz bench (players or coaches) shared remotely the same sentiment as JL3 was putting on after Rockets shot a three up 5000 and lazily dribbled out the clock.

That's proof of no unity. Unity within a team starts with the coach/leader in all walks of life.

Jazz made a big mistake making Ty HC right away instead of interim HC. They went with what was easy, what was comfortable, what was blessed by Ol' Jer. Unfortunately, Ol' Jer's opinion of Ty was about like that of Milt Palacio "he's a good guy who tries hard". And no one has had the cajones to correct this in the meantime. Soon, lets hope, soon.

 

[homeytennis]

Jazz made a big mistake making Ty HC right away instead of interim HC. They went with what was easy, what was comfortable, what was blessed by Ol' Jer. Unfortunately, Ol' Jer's opinion of Ty was about like that of Milt Palacio "he's a good guy who tries hard". And no one has had the cajones to correct this in the meantime. Soon, lets hope, soon.

If the front office hadn't used all the toilet paper and then taken a dump with Sloan, Phil Johnson would have been the next head coach. I might have seen a playoff series actually won when the vets were still here.

 

[framer]

Jazz made a big mistake making Ty HC right away instead of interim HC. They went with what was easy, what was comfortable, what was blessed by Ol' Jer. Unfortunately, Ol' Jer's opinion of Ty was about like that of Milt Palacio "he's a good guy who tries hard". And no one has had the cajones to correct this in the meantime. Soon, lets hope, soon.

This is revisionism. Ty was known as an "up and comer" who would have been interviewed for other coaching vacancies had Jerry not left. This is why coaches get recycled, because giving the keys to a newcomer is generally a crap shoot. I think two of the things that he had going for him at the time were continuity with the team and the fact he was black. It was of course unstated, but the statement of having a black head coach for the Utah Jazz was probably given at least a little consideration, given the scrutiny the Jazz have faced in the past. I'm not saying that scrutiny was warranted, but it was definitely there. Ty has done enough that he can probably get an assistant's job or coach at the NCAA level and maybe even get a second shot after a few years. Not much shame in that. Phil Johnson was an NBA coach of the year before he became a long time assistant.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

If the front office hadn't used all the toilet paper and then taken a dump with Sloan, Phil Johnson would have been the next head coach. I might have seen a playoff series actually won when the vets were still here.

Johnson was leaving whenever Sloan did. The way he left had nothing to do with it.

 

[GVC]

Phil Johnson was an NBA coach of the year before he became a long time assistant.

With a worse winning percentage as a head coach than Ty Corbin.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Seriously?

Yes, he's Jerry's nephew. And the reason it is relevant is because Sloan is a HOF coach who has returned as a consultant. I have no doubt Jones would likely welcome the assistance of Jerry behind the scenes.

But core, if he is already on board this steaming pile of a staff, will the players believe he is credible?

And will the millers flinch when it comes time to do something that not even dear old dad could ever do....let a coach go?

Or what if they panic and decide they can't experiment again with an unproven coach?

1. Jazz are not "firing" a coach. They'd just not offer a new contract. That's a world of difference. Larry H. almost fired Sloan several times and had to be talked down from his knee-jerk reactions. I think Greg is much less involved with day-to-day operations than his dad. The reigns are clearly in the hands of the basketball group and Lindsey appears to have the upper hand as he was the one who championed the rebuild model (and won that fight) vs. the "re-tool" method of KOC.

2. Yes, Jones is a current assistant. But he's had a history of being popular with young players. I seriously doubt it was Corbin's decision to bring Jones aboard. I could be wrong, but Lindsey was in SA during Jones' stint as their D-League coach. I just get the feeling he's Lindsey's guy and Dennis really wanted to bring him aboard.

3. Sure, there might be a feeling of experimenting with an "unproven" coach. But Jones was a scout for several years with Utah before he coached the Flash for 3 years and then moved on to the Toros. One D-League championship and one runner-up. KOC, Rigby, Lindsey and the Millers are very familiar with Jones and have been for a long time.

He's paid his dues, more so than Hornacek or a lot of other assistants who get a coaching opportunity. You could say I've been the driver of the Jones' wagon for a long time. I look forward to seeing him step in if he gets the call. He's been around the best in both Sloan and Popovich. I think it's a risk the Jazz will be willing to take.

 

[green]

I think last night was the last straw Corbin had in coming back. After that game, I don't see how you can bring him back.

 

[zman1527]

This is revisionism. Ty was known as an "up and comer" who would have been interviewed for other coaching vacancies had Jerry not left. This is why coaches get recycled, because giving the keys to a newcomer is generally a crap shoot. I think two of the things that he had going for him at the time were continuity with the team and the fact he was black. It was of course unstated, but the statement of having a black head coach for the Utah Jazz was probably given at least a little consideration, given the scrutiny the Jazz have faced in the past. I'm not saying that scrutiny was warranted, but it was definitely there. Ty has done enough that he can probably get an assistant's job or coach at the NCAA level and maybe even get a second shot after a few years. Not much shame in that. Phil Johnson was an NBA coach of the year before he became a long time assistant.

It is not revisionism, I thought this all the time. I know he interviewed for other positions, but did he get any? Why not? Maybe in the interview he gave lame answers like not having a list of assistants he could bring in or not being able to explain what his offensive and defensive philosophies are. The only reason he could have been considered an "up and comer" was opinion, he had no track record as a HC. None.

As to his being black being a plus, could be. But it does not equate to coaching ability, just pr.

 

[The Midnight]

I think last night was the last straw Corbin had in coming back. After that game, I don't see how you can bring him back.

You really think Jazz was trying to win that game? Gobert, JLIII, that No. 21 whats-his-name, Rush, all saw increased minutes.


Ty's in on the tank, no question about it.

 

[zman1527]

You really think Jazz was trying to win that game? Gobert, JLIII, that No. 21 whats-his-name, Rush, all saw increased minutes.


Ty's in on the tank, no question about it.

They were completely totally out of it by the time those guys got in. Ty is trying to win every game.

 

[The Midnight]

They were completely totally out of it by the time those guys got in. Ty is trying to win every game.

Did you watch the game? They were in in the 2nd Quarter. Wayyy before things got out of hand in the 2nd half.

 

[green]

Did you watch the game? They were in in the 2nd Quarter. Wayyy before things got out of hand in the 2nd half.

That was the nail in the coffin. The way the players acted was embarrassing. That is what put the final nail in the coffin.

Last year, after Wilson went down, I said over and over again, that Whitt probably won't win more than 1 more game...but the way his players play will be the difference between him keeping his job vs losing it. And those players were in every single game. They had a chance to win every game but the Oregon game.

Ty's players? They've quit. They are out of control.

That's the difference.

 

[zman1527]

Did you watch the game? They were in in the 2nd Quarter. Wayyy before things got out of hand in the 2nd half.

Clark entered when they were down by 22, Rush down by 24, Gobert down by 35.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Johnson was leaving whenever Sloan did. The way he left had nothing to do with it.

Sloan didn't leave on very good terms, LHM before he died always said Johnson would replace Sloan after Sloan chose on his own to ride into the sunset. Johnson left because of what went down between Jerry, Deron, and management.

I think last night was the last straw Corbin had in coming back. After that game, I don't see how you can bring him back.

They were completely totally out of it by the time those guys got in. Ty is trying to win every game.

Clark entered when they were down by 22, Rush down by 24, Gobert down by 35.

We saw a lineup I don't think we ever saw, basically Kanter and scrubs, and the jazz were only down by single digits at the time and left them there most of the quarter. A coach trying to win doesn't do that.