Science vs. Creationism

[MVP]

"The ancestral archosaurs probably originated some 250 million years or so ago..."

Awesome "evidence!"

It is just another one of those times the "common ancestor" didn't fossilize, so you can't tell me jack about it.

I am trying to understand what are you complaining about. What common ancestor did not fossilize? from the link:
"Students of archosaur evolution are blessed with a wonderful fossil record for many groups of archosaurs"

Yet you accept word of the book written by uneducated shepherds thousands years ago and rewritten hundred times with all different twists added and corrected without a doubt. How hypocritical.

 

[PearlWatson]

I am trying to understand what are you complaining about. What common ancestor did not fossilize? from the link:
"Students of archosaur evolution are blessed with a wonderful fossil record for many groups of archosaurs"

I'm not clear on which story you are going with.

Molecule-----huge gap-------fish -----huge gap ------- speculative "ancestral archosaur" that lead to both the croc and bird that live today.

or

Molecule----huge gap-------fish------huge gap------- "archosaur" fossil speculated to be both the croc and birds ancestor.

or

Molecule----huge gap-----fish-------huge gap-----speculative "ancestral archosaur" that lead to 2 different archosaur fossils------archosaur fossil speculated to be the crocs ancestor + the archosaur fossil speculated to the birds ancestor.

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I still haven't figured out the platypus story either. What is in the gap between the fish and the platypus?

Molecule----huge gap----fish------huge gap----platypus

 

[Zulu]

I'm not clear on which story you are going with.

Molecule-----huge gap-------fish -----huge gap ------- speculative "ancestral archosaur" that lead to both the croc and bird that live today.

or

Molecule----huge gap-------fish------huge gap------- "archosaur" fossil speculated to be both the croc and birds ancestor.

or

Molecule----huge gap-----fish-------huge gap-----speculative "ancestral archosaur" that lead to 2 different archosaur fossils------archosaur fossil speculated to be the crocs ancestor + the archosaur fossil speculated to the birds ancestor.

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I still haven't figured out the platypus story either. What is in the gap between the fish and the platypus?

Molecule----huge gap----fish------huge gap----platypus

Remember evolution history as we see it isn't linear....

Is there holes in the fossil record... Absolutely does that mean evolution doesn't exists absolutely not. When Darwin wrote the origin of species in 1859 the fossil record was very limited but he inferred natural section from it and the current extant species. Today the fossil record is massive compared to 1859 and each fossil adds to the evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

 

[carolinajazz]

Some? Scale like skin? Can you get any more uneducated/false statements here please, I have good laugh anytime I read this nonsense.

If you examine the feet of some birds, you will notice that they are covered with scales, not feathers. Did their feathers develop by chance from the scales of a reptile, as evolutionists teach?

Well, consider that a feather is an engineering marvel. Spreading from the shaft of a feather are rows of barbs. “Should two adjoining barbs become separated—and considerable force is needed to pull the vane apart—they are instantly zipped together again by drawing the feather through the fingertips,” explains the science textbook Integrated Principles of Zoology. “The bird, of course, does this with its bill.”

Could the hundreds of efficient “zippers” that make up a single feather have arisen by chance? Do scientists have any evidence that a scale actually developed into a feather?

“Strangely enough,” admits the above-quoted book, “although modern birds possess both scales (especially on their feet) and feathers, no intermediate stage between the two has been discovered on either fossil or living forms.”

Surely, feathers bear testimony to a Master Engineer who is also an expert at blending lovely colors.

 

[carolinajazz]

When Darwin wrote the origin of species in 1859 the fossil record was very limited but he inferred natural section from it and the current extant species. Today the fossil record is massive compared to 1859 and each fossil adds to the evidence supporting the theory of evolution.

To date, scientists worldwide have unearthed and cataloged some 200*million large fossils and billions of small fossils. Many researchers agree that this vast and detailed record shows that all the major groups of animals appeared suddenly and remained virtually unchanged, with many species disappearing as suddenly as they arrived.

In 130 years of searching for fossils of the missing link between ape and man, evolutionists have come up with a pitifully small array of bones. According to the magazine Science Digest, “all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed, with room to spare, inside a single coffin!” No doubt, that is where such so-called evidence belongs—with the lid of the coffin nailed down tight!

 

[Bawse Dawg]

 

[carolinajazz]

He is official MVP of Eurobasket 2007 and Euroleague 2012. Uneducated again?

"Eurobasket" and "Euroleague"!?? That's kind of like "Arena Football" ain't it? When your an MVP of a bunch of chumps....you ain't no MVP at all!

 

[carolinajazz]

It is all pterosaurs fault, had they survived and crocodilians gone extinct we would not have this discussion. Dang pterosaurs.

Commenting on this theory and the apparently sudden extinction of the dinosaurs, one science writer admits: “They could shake the foundations of evolutionary biology and call into question the current concept of natural selection.”

University of Arizona scientist David Jablonski concludes that ‘for many plants and animals, extinction was abrupt and somehow special. Mass extinctions are not merely the cumulative effects of gradual dyings. Something unusual happened.’

Their arrival was also abrupt. Scientific American observes: “The sudden appearance of both suborders of the pterosaurs without any obvious antecedents is fairly typical of the fossil record.” That is also the case with dinosaurs. Their relatively sudden appearance and disappearance contradicts the commonly accepted view of slow evolution.

When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.

 

[PearlWatson]

Remember evolution history as we see it isn't linear....

Is there holes in the fossil record... Absolutely does that mean evolution doesn't exists absolutely not.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Commenting on this theory and the apparently sudden extinction of the dinosaurs, one science writer admits: “They could shake the foundations of evolutionary biology and call into question the current concept of natural selection.”

University of Arizona scientist David Jablonski concludes that ‘for many plants and animals, extinction was abrupt and somehow special. Mass extinctions are not merely the cumulative effects of gradual dyings. Something unusual happened.’

Their arrival was also abrupt. Scientific American observes: “The sudden appearance of both suborders of the pterosaurs without any obvious antecedents is fairly typical of the fossil record.” That is also the case with dinosaurs. Their relatively sudden appearance and disappearance contradicts the commonly accepted view of slow evolution.

When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.

So let's stop looking! We haven't found a link in the couple hundred years we've been looking, obviously the evidence doesn't even exist. We surely must have uncovered everything there is to find, I mean the Earth is only 4.5 billion years old (or 6,000? lol).

Yep, much better to just decide that God was bored one day created dinosaurs, kept them around for millions of years (I think that the fact that ****ing trilobites owned the earth for 200 million years, meanwhile humans have been around for about 500,000 is a huge hole in God and creationism.) then decided to kill them off just cause. That is so much more fun than exploring the planet and universe that we live in.

 

[carolinajazz]

250 mil years. Just try to process that for more then a 10 seconds.

You keep using this "millions of years" approach like a crutch! You have no plausible method by which animals evolved from one kind to another or from one specie to another...other than "given enough time ANYTHING can happen!" We're not buying that "hogwash" process that "given enough time" anything can happen!

Robert Naeye, a writer for Astronomy magazine and an evolutionist, wrote that life on earth is the result of “a long sequence of improbable events [that] transpired in just the right way to bring forth our existence, as if we had won a million-dollar lottery a million times in a row.”

That line of reasoning can probably be applied to every single creature that exists today. The odds are stacked against it. Yet, we are expected to believe that by chance evolution also produced a male and a female at the same time in order for the new species to be perpetuated.

To compound the odds, we also have to believe that the male and the female not only evolved at the same time but also in the same place! No meeting, no procreation!

Certainly, it stretches credulity to the limit to believe that life exists in its millions of perfected forms as a result of millions of gambles that paid off.

 

[PearlWatson]

So let's stop looking! We haven't found a link in the couple hundred years we've been looking, obviously the evidence doesn't even exist. We surely must have uncovered everything there is to find, I mean the Earth is only 4.5 billion years old.

I wish you Darwiniacs would get busy chasing your rainbow instead of destroying America.