Science vs. Creationism

[MVP]

your mind is closed to many of the greatest truths.

I am wondering how is your mind not closed about greatest truth like Evolution? But it accepts greatest lie on earth about God. Something is messed up here. Really strange.

 

[PearlWatson]

My mind does not reject possibility of God. My mind rejects any claims about it as false.

Same thing.

 

[PearlWatson]

Well if that turns out to be truth isn't that wonderful for me?
On the other hand if there is no God it will suck so much for religious people when they die. No afterlife, no heaven with angels, no paradise. All hopes shattered. Just your flesh slowly turning into fertilizer for our mother Earth. The END. No fake hopes.
Think about it. It is better to be an atheist or at least agnostic. Nothing to lose, all to gain.

You ain't aware of Pascal's wager?

If you withhold a belief in God and He does exist you have infinite loss.
If you believe in God and He doesn't exist you have lost nothing.

If us God-believers don't have an eternal soul then we ain't aware of shattered hopes once we are dead.

 

[8]

You ain't aware of Pascal's wager?

If you withhold a belief in God and He does exist you have infinite loss.
If you believe in God and He doesn't exist you have lost nothing.

If us God-believers don't have an eternal soul then we ain't aware of shattered hopes once we are dead.

Funny story about this.

I though this exact thing when I was a young lad thinking I had some great philosophical idea. Then I got to college and learned some guy beat me to it a long time ago.

That actually wasn't funny, I apologize.

 

[PearlWatson]

I am wondering how is your mind not closed about greatest truth like Evolution? But it accepts greatest lie on earth about God. Something is messed up here. Really strange.

Depends on what you mean by "evolution."

I takes more faith to believe in Darwinian ideology, that a molecule randomly generated its way into a molecular scientist, than it does to believe in a creator or designer.

Most of your faith rests on the stories of paleontologists extrapolated from bone fragments.

Do you realize what little data the supposed "evolution" of the whale rests on?

Red shows the actual bone fragments they have and the rest is the extrapolation:

Pakicetus

Ambulocetus

Your house is built on sand, my friend.

 

[carolinajazz]

Think about it. It is better to be an atheist or at least agnostic. Nothing to lose, all to gain.

"Nothing to lose?"

(Romans 1:18-23) 18 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is clearly evident among them, for God made it clear to them. 20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their senseless hearts became darkened. 22 Although claiming they were wise, they became foolish 23 and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and birds and four-footed creatures and reptiles.

 

[PearlWatson]

That's the nifty thing about gene duplication; you have one gene continuing to produce the same proteins, while the copy can mutate, producing new information. So after you get more information, you get new information.

There is nothing nifty about Down's Syndrome or cancer.

The process of duplication only lends itself to information loss.

At no time can a copy of a book come out with a random new chapter, but an existing chapter can be lost.

 

[MVP]

Do you realize what little data the supposed "evolution" of the whale rests on?
Your house is built on sand, my friend.

You obviously ignoring live evidence of evolution being caught - dolphin with rear flippers or whale with atavistic legs. It is enough to look at any whale skeleton to clearly see that it once was land animal as remnants of hind legs are still present.
I thought we are not going to go that road again?

 

[MVP]

"Nothing to lose?"

(Romans 1:18-23) 18 For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way, 19 because what may be known about God is clearly evident among them, for God made it clear to them. 20 For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable. 21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God nor did they thank him, but they became empty-headed in their reasonings and their senseless hearts became darkened. 22 Although claiming they were wise, they became foolish 23 and turned the glory of the incorruptible God into something like the image of corruptible man and birds and four-footed creatures and reptiles.

So what am I losing according to this fairy tale written 2000+ years ago by some shepherds?

 

[MVP]

If you withhold a belief in God and He does exist you have infinite loss.
If you believe in God and He doesn't exist you have lost nothing.

^Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
If afterlife exists and I did not believe in it before I died - I gained new life, great, fantastic, I am stoked!
If afterlife does not exist but you believed in - it just think how it sucks for you after you die.

 

[PearlWatson]

^Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
If afterlife exists and I did not believe in it before I died - I gained new life, great, fantastic, I am stoked!
If afterlife does not exist but you believed in - it just think how it sucks for you after you die.

Because you haven't taken into consideration what happens to unbelievers in the "afterlife." The only way you have a chance as an unbeliever is if the Mormon's are right and they can do a proxy baptism for you.

If afterlife does not exist believers won't realize that it "sucks" for them because they will no longer exist.

 

[babe]

Because you haven't taken into consideration what happens to unbelievers in the "afterlife." The only way you have a chance as an unbeliever is if the Mormon's are right and they can do a proxy baptism for you.

If afterlife does not exist believers won't realize that it "sucks" for them because they will no longer exist.

I can see one other possibility in this little scenario. . . . well, maybe more than one more. . . .

One possibility is that there is a God who exists, maybe even cares about us, and will deal with all of us far better than we have yet imagined. . . .whether we "believe" in any particular limited but false notion of "God" or not. This would be, I suppose, the "Best of All Possible Gods". Probably isn't really thrilled with the idea of actually talking to us because we are hell-bent on making something else of "God" and wouldn't accurately relate any possible "revelation". This would also be, I suppose, the male-God who just knows better than to talk to people who won't understand. . . . .

If an atheist dies, and discovers life goes on, he can still ask questions and dispute whatever anyone wants to tell him, and disbelieve in anything he wants. With a whole lifetime of denial skills, he could still wonder if he's just dreaming and imagining that he's still conscious, and conclude that consciousness is as unprovable as the Holy Ghost.

If religious believers in God die, and don't wake up, there was nothing to lose in the first place. They lived their dream, and loved it while they lived. I'd say that is the glorious way to live, no matter what. The atheist has simply chosen to die before dreaming. . . . .