Science vs. Creationism
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carolinajazz
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...don't evolutionists believe that ALL dinosaurs disappeared at once, leaving the earth barren of living reptiles.....and then somehow started over again as croc-a-gators out of swamp slime???
No, I don't know any who believe that. Many species of dinosaurs died off relatively quickly (over a few thousand years), but the earth was not barren of reptiles. Crocs/gators have a different branch from turtles, snakes, and lizards, not to mention birds and mammals. I'm pretty sure all of those types of reptiles were around before the KT extinction.
carolinajazz
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..."pretty sure" huh? Well, think again! Commenting on the new theory and the apparent sudden extinction of the dinosaurs, one science writer admits: “They could shake the foundations of evolutionary biology and call into question the current concept of natural selection.”
University of Arizona scientist David Jablonski concludes that ‘for many plants and animals, extinction was abrupt and somehow special. Mass extinctions are not merely the cumulative effects of gradual dyings. Something unusual happened.’ Their arrival was also abrupt. Scientific American observes: “The sudden appearance of both suborders of the pterosaurs without any obvious antecedents is fairly typical of the fossil record.” That is also the case with dinosaurs. Their relatively sudden appearance and disappearance contradicts the commonly accepted view of slow evolution.
Dinosaurs appear suddenly in the fossil record, with no links to any ancestors before them. They multiplied greatly, then became extinct.
.....oh, by the way....I'm "pretty sure" about that, too!
PearlWatson
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Now that's an IDesque name.
You can't reasonably explain how the jaw even came about...you start with fish who already has a jaw.
You can't reasonably explain how the skeletal system even came about...you start with fish who already had a skeleton.
You can't reasonably explain how the circulatory system came about...you start with fish who already had a circulatory system.
You can't reasonably explain how the reproductive system came about...you start with fish who already had a reproductive system.
You can't reasonably explain how sexual differentiation came about...you start with fish who were already sexually differentiated.
All of these systems are irreducibly complex. They couldn't have come about by accident.
PearlWatson
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Creationists believe in variability within kinds. It is designed variation.
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PearlWatson
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It seems like you are talking about the science of nutrigenomics.
It is how food talks to your genes.
The information your body receives from the food you eat turns your genes on and off.
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PearlWatson
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There is NO such thing as evolution. It is all de-evolution!!!!!
MVP
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Has nothing to do with ID. More like symbol of maturity/wisdom at the age when they erupt. And you avoided and did not answered my question.
I sometimes can't understand if you really sincere in what you are posting or just specifically ignoring and avoiding all the facts about fish evolution, skull evolution, jaw evolution, etc, etc, we posted before. We never start with fish, what the heck are talking about?
There is numerous scientific theories how most primitive life started on Earth and it does not include intelligent design. We already talked about it, I am so surprised that you keep coming back to it.
MVP
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That must be the most unbelievable statement from all creationism delusions I have read in this thread. So basically you saying that designer created variability which is not evident at first but starts happening after some time because designer installed it and programed it to appear after hundreds or thousands of years. Fantastic.
That's always a wise idea. The KT extinction event was 65 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous–Paleogene_extinction_event
The first turtles show up 220 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle
Lizards are dated between 250 and 200 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard
Snakes to 125 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake
Croco/gator family goes back at least 125 million years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodilia
Therapod dinosaurs, the ancestors to birds, were a distinct group 230 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theropoda
Mammals no later than 167 million years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammals
So, to be clear, almost no one believes all retiles died out at once and were remade from the crocodilians.
That's the great thing about science; it adapts to new data.
Yep. The KT extinction even was caused by a massive meteor. The Permian extinction by unequaled volcanic activity spewing huge amounts of carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere.
As usual, you're wrong. The ancestors dinosaurs are archosaurs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archosaur
carolinajazz
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....the only "fact" you have is that Klinko's back tattoo is permanent....and can only be removed by laser treatment or scrapped off with a busted beer bottle! (The later being my choice!) Oh, and you do have "numerous scientific theories" but there all as believable as a "rhinoceros coming from the butterfly" and a marvelously functioning Universe came about by your blowing your nose!