Mormons lol

[Siro]

I don't recall any spirit orbs living on Kolob in any of the religion classes I took at BYU. I remember that we existed as eternal incorporeal beings in Heaven before God sent us to Earth after the war between Adam and Lucifer. I've always wondered how exactly you conducted a war when the participants cannot be harmed in any way. How was the winner determined?

 

[RobDMB]

Well okay. They know the word "star". I'm not criticizing Mormonism or anything, but aren't some of you being a little disingenuous with your responses, claiming you don't know what the picture is talking about?

I'm not a Mormon, so correct me if I'm wrong but:
"Spirit orbs" obviously referring to the "first estate" or, our existence as spirit children or spirit people, whatever we want to call them. Souls even. The "first estate," is like the pre-life part of our lives. Our life here in the mortal realm is the second estate.

Back when we were in the first estate, we lived on Kolob with God. Our spirit bodies were stuffed into our human bodies, but in the process, all memory of the previous spirit life was lost, because our human bodies don't have enough space or something. Kolob, as far as I understand, is where god lives with his wives and spirit children who haven't been stuffed into physical bodies yet.

Again, I'm not criticizing, and I hope Mormons will correct my misunderstandings of their beliefs, but that's what the picture is clearly referring to.

See Colton's post on page 2. Most Mormons would understand what that pic is trying to make fun of, but as Colton has stated, the meme gets it wrong.

I have never heard of "spirit orbs", although there is absolutely a belief in a pre-earth life (or pre-existence as it's commonly called). And I've never been taught that our spirits were "stuffed" into our bodies and that's why we can't remember anything. Some of your understanding is correct. Perhaps the meme is just trying to sensationalize the matter as an attempt at humor... I just think that it's done in poor taste, as was the OP of this thread. For all the everyone-is-equal talk we have on this board, it's amazing to see this stuff pop up.

 

[babe]

Just wanted to ask why people follow 'mormonism' and why they listen to the words of some guy called joseph smith who was clearly a giant fraud and most likely suffered from mental illness

I mean all religions are a joke of course, but mormonism is just beyond hilarious because its so relatively new and just rehashes the same crap and stupid illogical ideas from the thousands of religions before it





lol, in a normal world he would have been sent straight to the psych ward

I think if you want to know about it, you shoud call the missionary dept and ask them to seen some "elders" over to explain it.

I don't call it a "normal" world where we have a college-indoctrinated class of professionals supposedly trained to deal with facets of human intelligence who have such a stupid reaction to people who have vivid imaginations and perhaps speak liberally in favor of fantasies. Just dissing them as nutjobs, or rounding them up and confining them in some facility, and drugging them, is not a "professional" way to deal with humans.

 

[babe]

Amost everyone I know, or have observed carefully, will at some point in life display some irrational thinking, accept some fraudlulent assertion and some such.

 

[fallenchicken]

Stuffed is my verb, haha. I thought that the reason we couldn't remember this pre-life is because something in the process of transferring from the spirit body to the earthly makes us forget. But this could be bad or half-information (when it comes to religion, no matter the religion, interpretation varies so wildly--like Kolob could be anything; some would say it's symbolic). I think it had something to do with the weight of the spirit not fitting inside the human, and so some information (your memory of the previous life) having to be lost. But this came from a skeptic's book and was a few years ago--and skeptics can misrepresent, or at least state in the harshest, most dismissive context, religious beliefs. Such as that picture .

 

[JAZZGASM]

I have reviewed the Mormon religion from many facets. While I have determined there are too many inconsistencies for it to be true, I also see the benefits that the religion provides.

It promotes great family values, and unites entire neighborhoods. I thought it was normal to know all my neighbors when I grew up. Moving outside of Utah I learned otherwise.

Mormons also promote and value education. I am guessing per capita, Mormons are more successful than most if not all other religious groups. This is a subjective statement, but based on the number of highly successful Mormons I have met, and the competition for high level jobs in Utah...

So yes, I think the religion is wonky, including strange temple rituals that make going through airport security seem like no big deal. I personally don't understand how any person with an IQ over 90 that has really researched the history of the Mormon church could 100% say they "know" it to be true. Still, I have a lot of respect for the values it bestows even though I think most of the doctrine is a bunch of crapoli.

 

[Siro]

I have reviewed the Mormon religion from many facets. While I have determined there are too many inconsistencies for it to be true, I also see the benefits that the religion provides.

It promotes great family values, and unites entire neighborhoods. I thought it was normal to know all my neighbors when I grew up. Moving outside of Utah I learned otherwise.

Mormons also promote and value education. I am guessing per capita, Mormons are more successful than most if not all other religious groups. This is a subjective statement, but based on the number of highly successful Mormons I have met, and the competition for high level jobs

So yes, I think the religion is wonky, including strange temple rituals that make going through airport security seem like no big deal. I personally don't understand how any person with an IQ over 90 that has really researched the history of the Mormon church could 100% say they "know" it to be true. Still, I have a lot of respect for the values it bestows even though I think most of the doctrine is a bunch of crapoli.

How is the inconsistency and rituals any different from other religions? Have you been to a Catholic church? Have you ever spent time with ultra-orthodox Jews? Do you know any devout Muslims? Hell, have you been inside a New Age shop? I don't see why Mormonism is singled out. There is nothing uniquely strange about it. If anything, it's one of the more, um, how do I put it... I want to say mundane, but that seems a bit rude. But you get my drift.

 

[JAZZGASM]

How is the inconsistency and rituals any different from other religions? Have you been to a Catholic church? Have you ever spent time with ultra-orthodox Jews? Do you know any devout Muslims? Hell, have you been inside a New Age shop? I don't see why Mormonism is singled out. There is nothing uniquely strange about it. If anything, it's one of the more, um, how do I put it... I want to say mundane, but that seems a bit rude. But you get my drift.

I was just responding to the topic of the thread. What makes Mormonism unique is it came into existence when historical data was much more accurate compared with the founding of other religions. And yes, I have spent a lot of time in a the churches of many denominations (Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran). And while I agree they all have inconsistencies, none of the rituals I have been involved with come close to those inside a Mormon temple as far as weirdness.

 

[Hotdog]

I consider myself as agnostic.


I have a lot of respect for the Mormon religion. They do a lot of good for the community. Plus the religion scares off all the freaks out there who don't think it's cool to be in Utah. On occasion but very seldom do they do annoying things.


I find it comical as well that other religions would try to make fun of Mormons. It' s very bizarre to watch grown people talk about how much more realistic their story of fantasy is than someone else's. And then do it while being as hateful as they can about it.

I worked with a guy who hated Mormons with a passion and he was a die hard Christian. One of the most annoying people you'll ever meet. The company is owned by Mormons and I found it very disrespectful that he would bash them all the while they were providing him and his family with a paycheck. He finally put his money where his mouth is and moved to Texas to get away from the Mormons.

Thank God.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Wow

This thread is so cool

 

[babe]

So What

I probably actually believe more of "Mormonism" than anyone alive. Could be an idle boast, I suppose. But who else believes anything?

I learned the Deseret Alphabet in hopes of better understanding the Pure Adamic Language. A language so perfect that there are no profanities, and no degenerate uses or meanings of words, because. . . well. . . . nobody uses it.

I read Parley P. Pratt's "Key To Theology", a text that liberally incorporated the principles of Darwin in human evolution/devolution, and proves that when people sin, their children's teeth are set on edge, despite whatever Zechariah had to say about that. And, of course, when people live righteously, they develop white skin and blue eyes, beautiful features all in godly proportion. And, of course, it is an advanced concept that the degenerate races of mankind can potentially all become white, and delightsome, by righteous living.

Don't laugh. This is not a laughing matter.

Today we have aspiring Mormons trying to politically correct our manner of language and make damn sure nobody ever uses a word in a bad way, or ever says anything that will make anyone feel bad, and will never say things that can be misunderstood by anyone.

Today, we have aspiring Scientists who have a neophyte sorta faith in evolution who believe that humans have the moral right and duty to perfect nature, according to present sentiments, as they drift through time never remaining dedicated to nor committed to any notion except the fundamental right of the apha humans to dominate all the other humans.

At the end of the day, folks like the OP who on some occasional excursion into logic find some other people laughable are just unaware of how laughable they themselves are.

 

[colton]

I'm not a Mormon, so correct me if I'm wrong but:
"Spirit orbs" obviously referring to the "first estate" or, our existence as spirit children or spirit people, whatever we want to call them. Souls even.

Words matter. Spirit children, spirit people, souls... those all have different connotations than "orbs". It's like if I call a yarmulke a beanie. Yes, they are similar. But the connotations are very different.

The "first estate," is like the pre-life part of our lives. Our life here in the mortal realm is the second estate.

Yes, you got that right.

Back when we were in the first estate, we lived on Kolob with God.

Kolob isn't where God lives. Heaven is. About all the LDS scriptures say about Kolob is
"And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God; and there were many great ones which were near unto it; And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones; and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me..."
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng

So Kolob is apparently a star that is in some sense near to where God lives. Since I view God as not being limited by our three dimensional universe, I myself am not quite sure what "near" means in this context. And while it's true that sometimes LDS poetically refer to Kolob as being where God is (most notably in the song, "If you could hie to Kolob"), no LDS that I know would say "We lived on Kolob with God". All LDS that I know would say "We lived in heaven with God".

Our spirit bodies were stuffed...

As someone else has mentioned, "stuffed" isn't really the typical word.

... into our human bodies, but in the process, all memory of the previous spirit life was lost, because our human bodies don't have enough space or something.

Not sure what you mean by that last bit. Doesn't match any LDS doctrine that I'm aware of.

Kolob, as far as I understand, is where god lives with his wives and spirit children who haven't been stuffed into physical bodies yet.

It's barely LDS doctrine that God has a single wife, let alone multiple wives. Sure, I'd bet you could find statements to that effect by Brigham Young in the hey day of polygamy, but that is certainly not canonized doctrine.

Again, I'm not criticizing, and I hope Mormons will correct my misunderstandings of their beliefs, but that's what the picture is clearly referring to.

Well, yeah. But if you are going to criticize something you should not make several glaring errors in the process. Otherwise you look like an idiot.