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fishonjazz said:
Burke is simply not that good imo. I think he has forced things too often and taken bad shots.

I also think that Snyder is partly to blame. Burks and Hayward should be getting more pick n rolls ran for them (and a few more iso's in burks case) and burke should have less
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Thank you. Been looking for a burks or Hayward pick'n roll for two games now, and running pick'n roll through Burks would eliminate some of his Rogue play, and get him better shots. He should be getting more then 2 assists. He has a lot of the same skill sets as Hayward does. QS should do better at utilizing them.


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GVC said:
To the OP:

1. How many of his shots are taken with <6 seconds left on the shot clock?

2. Of the shots he takes with 6+ seconds left on the clock, how many should he have passed up? Why?
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Oh, haven't seen "CJ Miles defense" on this board in a while. Where is my popcorn?
 
Stoked said:
Hey OP, nothing has changed. The haters are still haters. Improvements be damned.
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So, critiquing our players means that we hate them if we see some negative attributes? I guess that coaches and GMs are real haters then, as they must constantly critique and constantly look for the negative, as well as the positive. Got some rosey colored glasses we should all wear all the time? Just don't look at the box score and W-L column? Calling folks haters but offering no rebutal to serious questions is disengenuous. What do you see as Trey's great strengths? Why should he take the most shots?

I don't hate Trey or anyone else on the team, but there are objective facts: how tall is he? When was the last time he blew past his guys and slammed it home? When was the last time he got around the big on the P&N, got into the middle of the lane and dropped it off for an easy dunk? The last one, maybe once in a great while, but not often. Conclusion: he is physically challenged for the NBA, short, not particularly quick, not very athletic. Nor is he a deadeye shooter. And you really want him taking the most shots?
 
I like Trey but at times he will not pass the ball on an attempt and take, IMO, a bad shot and miss. The dude has gotten better and I'm expecting him to improve. But its those few times where he will want to score and not pass that irritate me.
 
Crawlnstall said:
I like Trey but at times he will not pass the ball on an attempt and take, IMO, a bad shot and miss. The dude has gotten better and I'm expecting him to improve. But its those few times where he will want to score and not pass that irritate me.
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As one of the "haters", I should add that yes he is playing better. I could like him if he doubled his assist while cutting his shot attempts in half.
 
zman1527 said:
So, critiquing our players means that we hate them if we see some negative attributes? I guess that coaches and GMs are real haters then, as they must constantly critique and constantly look for the negative, as well as the positive. Got some rosey colored glasses we should all wear all the time? Just don't look at the box score and W-L column? Calling folks haters but offering no rebutal to serious questions is disengenuous. What do you see as Trey's great strengths? Why should he take the most shots?

I don't hate Trey or anyone else on the team, but there are objective facts: how tall is he? When was the last time he blew past his guys and slammed it home? When was the last time he got around the big on the P&N, got into the middle of the lane and dropped it off for an easy dunk? The last one, maybe once in a great while, but not often. Conclusion: he is physically challenged for the NBA, short, not particularly quick, not very athletic. Nor is he a deadeye shooter. And you really want him taking the most shots?
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I don't care for many terms "hater" being one. However sometimes it fits.

To your point of course it's fair to be critical. However what people are being critical about isn't A) based on what is actually happening and B) completely ignoring the circumstances that lead to Trey taking a few more shots then the rest of the team.

To answer your set of questions I'd ask if you are watching the games? Burke is getting to the rim A LOT and setting up teammates. Guys just aren't making shots. His defensive efforts and therefore defensive impact is night and day from last year. He just isn't making his 3's which he did during the preseason at an insanely high pecentage. Maybe it's his minor knee issues he had right before the season opened or maybe he just sucks at shooting 3's in particular. The question is are 2 games after a stellar preseason shooting enough of a sample size to really make sweeping jugdments? However the athletic question should be dying down as he's been getting where he wants to off the dribble and not only has that lead to attempts at the basket, but open shots for teammates.

People are asking for Rondo. Go look at his stats in year 1 and 2 and year two was with the "Big 3".
 
zman1527 said:
As one of the "haters", I should add that yes he is playing better. I could like him if he doubled his assist while cutting his shot attempts in half.
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About how I feel.
Trey looks a little better than last year so far, which still is not very good, but I mostly just want him to focus more on setting up his teammates
 
da ThRONe said:
I don't care for many terms "hater" being one. However sometimes it fits.

To your point of course it's fair to be critical. However what people are being critical about isn't A) based on what is actually happening and B) completely ignoring the circumstances that lead to Trey taking a few more shots then the rest of the team.

To answer your set of questions I'd ask if you are watching the games? Burke is getting to the rim A LOT and setting up teammates. Guys just aren't making shots. His defensive efforts and therefore defensive impact is night and day from last year. He just isn't making his 3's which he did during the preseason at an insanely high pecentage. Maybe it's his minor knee issues he had right before the season opened or maybe he just sucks at shooting 3's in particular. The question is are 2 games after a stellar preseason shooting enough of a sample size to really make sweeping jugdments? However the athletic question should be dying down as he's been getting where he wants to off the dribble and not only has that lead to attempts at the basket, but open shots for teammates.

People are asking for Rondo. Go look at his stats in year 1 and 2 and year two was with the "Big 3".
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I have watched most of the first two games. When did he "get to the rim"? Generally that term means to get right to the rim for a dunk or a very simple lay-in. He has gotten several of those high bankers from fairly close range and that is a great addition to his repetoire. But it still shows that he is not athletic enough to truly get to the rim. Fact.

I am not saying Trey is worthless or will be in the future. He has some nice skills and could be a good pass first point guard. I believe his mind set is that he is the leader, the guy who is going to take and make the tough shots, the guy who is going to lead the team in scoring. Long term I don't think that works at all and does not work for this team. Again, if he drops the shots attempted and increases assists it would be great. Is he willing and able to do that?
 
It's just 2 games so I don't read much into all of this stuff but here are some early interesting stats.

His shooting:

- Burke has taken 4 shots in verly late(4-0 sec) shot clock situation. That's 13% of his shots. Not that much. So please let's not act like he is just taking shots because nobody else does.

- Burke took 15 shots with 3+ dribbles. That is 48% of his shots. He took 6 shots wih 7+ dribbles(19%). In comperison Alec had just 2 shots with 7+ dribbles. I don't think Dr. Q likes that at all.

- 9 of his shots were with very tight(0-2 feet) defense on him(29%) and 12 shots were with tight(2-4 feet) defense on him(39%).

- one actually great thing is he had 11 shots within 5 feet and less(35%).

His passing:

- Burke had five passes to the 3 point line which could have been assists. 2 of them found their way in to the hoop. So that's 40%. Which is an adequate number.

conclusion:

Pass the damn ball more and stop shooting that much. Our sophomore PG shouldn't have the most stots in any basketball game.

Edit: He actually had 11 passes to the 3 point line and 6 of those shots were good. So more than 50% which is really good.
 
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Primetime said:
It's just 2 games so I don't read much into all of this stuff but here are some early interesting stats.

His shooting:

- Burke has taken 4 shots in verly late(4-0 sec) shot clock situation. That's 13% of his shots. Not that much. So please let's not act like he is just taking shots because nobody else does.

- Burke took 15 shots with 3+ dribbles. That is 48% of his shots. He took 6 shots wih 7+ dribbles(19%). In comperison Alec had just 2 shots with 7+ dribbles. I don't think Dr. Q likes that at all.

- 9 of his shots were with very tight(0-2 feet) defense on him(29%) and 12 shots were with tight(2-4 feet) defense on him(39%).

- one actually great thing is he had 11 shots within 5 feet and less(35%).

His passing:

- Burke had five passes to the 3 point line which could have been assists. 2 of them found their way in to the hoop. So that's 40%. Which is an adequate number.

conclusion:

Pass the damn ball more and stop shooting that much. Our sophomore PG shouldn't have the most stots in any basketball game.
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Some useful information. Thanks. Where'd you dig this all up?
 
For instance, interesting stat: Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors have not made a single pass to each other throughout 2 games.
 
Primetime said:
It's just 2 games so I don't read much into all of this stuff but here are some early interesting stats.

His shooting:

- Burke has taken 4 shots in verly late(4-0 sec) shot clock situation. That's 13% of his shots. Not that much. So please let's not act like he is just taking shots because nobody else does.

- Burke took 15 shots with 3+ dribbles. That is 48% of his shots. He took 6 shots wih 7+ dribbles(19%). In comperison Alec had just 2 shots with 7+ dribbles. I don't think Dr. Q likes that at all.

- 9 of his shots were with very tight(0-2 feet) defense on him(29%) and 12 shots were with tight(2-4 feet) defense on him(39%).

- one actually great thing is he had 11 shots within 5 feet and less(35%).

His passing:

- Burke had five passes to the 3 point line which could have been assists. 2 of them found their way in to the hoop. So that's 40%. Which is an adequate number.

conclusion:

Pass the damn ball more and stop shooting that much. Our sophomore PG shouldn't have the most stots in any basketball game.
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Very cool stats
 
Primetime said:
It's just 2 games so I don't read much into all of this stuff but here are some early interesting stats.

His shooting:

- Burke has taken 4 shots in verly late(4-0 sec) shot clock situation. That's 13% of his shots. Not that much. So please let's not act like he is just taking shots because nobody else does.

- Burke took 15 shots with 3+ dribbles. That is 48% of his shots. He took 6 shots wih 7+ dribbles(19%). In comperison Alec had just 2 shots with 7+ dribbles. I don't think Dr. Q likes that at all.

- 9 of his shots were with very tight(0-2 feet) defense on him(29%) and 12 shots were with tight(2-4 feet) defense on him(39%).

- one actually great thing is he had 11 shots within 5 feet and less(35%).

His passing:

- Burke had five passes to the 3 point line which could have been assists. 2 of them found their way in to the hoop. So that's 40%. Which is an adequate number.

conclusion:

Pass the damn ball more and stop shooting that much. Our sophomore PG shouldn't have the most stots in any basketball game.
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He also gets the ball passed to him more than any other player, so he appears to be asked to handle it more than anyone.
 
Primetime said:
It's just 2 games so I don't read much into all of this stuff but here are some early interesting stats.

His shooting:

- Burke has taken 4 shots in verly late(4-0 sec) shot clock situation. That's 13% of his shots. Not that much. So please let's not act like he is just taking shots because nobody else does.

- Burke took 15 shots with 3+ dribbles. That is 48% of his shots. He took 6 shots wih 7+ dribbles(19%). In comperison Alec had just 2 shots with 7+ dribbles. I don't think Dr. Q likes that at all.

- 9 of his shots were with very tight(0-2 feet) defense on him(29%) and 12 shots were with tight(2-4 feet) defense on him(39%).

- one actually great thing is he had 11 shots within 5 feet and less(35%).

His passing:

- Burke had five passes to the 3 point line which could have been assists. 2 of them found their way in to the hoop. So that's 40%. Which is an adequate number.

conclusion:

Pass the damn ball more and stop shooting that much. Our sophomore PG shouldn't have the most stots in any basketball game.

Edit: He actually had 11 passes to the 3 point line and 6 of those shots were good. So more than 50% which is really good.
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why 4 sec? how about 6 sec? 7 sec? many times when you have under 7-8 sec player tend to pull a trigger when there is nothing there. you force pass for the sake of just passing than bad things happen. trey doesn't have great creativity yet, so it's better to pull a trigger than just pass to the next guy. we all know trey ain't john stockton creating shot opportunities for others in every position.

anyway the whole stat you just posted - stupid stat if you ask me. trey took 15 shots and 16 shots. that's not alot by any stretch of imagination especially when he took it to the rim alot. if those were all jump shots then yeah, tone it down a little. but not when he penetrates alot.

we should worry if trey takes more than 20+ shots regularly. but not when he is taking 15, 16. that's retarded.
 
last 5 trey's games (3 preseason 2 regular season)

shot attempts
15
14
16
15
16

15.2 attempts so far. last year 12.8

we want trey to take more shots than his rookie season. 15 attempts are perfect for him. he isn't PG PG. trey is most effective when he is aggressive offensively.
 
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