bjunior
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cj miles then was overly criticized due to his 2nd round draft position )
Burke shooting the most and poorly,whats changed
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cj miles then was overly criticized due to his 2nd round draft position )
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Stifle Tower
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What's happened is Trey is no longer forcing up shots with the clock winding down. I beg to differ with those who still claim that the reason for Trey's poor shooting is him having to launch up shots with no time left. Burke has missed several wide open 3's - and other shots - in the flow of the offense. EVERY player sometimes shoots with a hand in the face or a player running at him. How many shots did Bledsoe, Green or the Morris' hit when the defense was there? Yes, there's also Trey's occasional drive to the hoop, just like he had last year. But hey, overall shooting doesn't matter since he's "clutch" in the last five minutes of games.
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Trey had a great pre-season and he doesn't look like he's forcing shots right now. He's missing a lot, but he was making a lot in pre-season. I'm willing to give it more time before I write him off. The important thing for him is to play within himself and within the system and to take the good shots. If they are good shots, I have no problem with it... even if he misses more than he makes... at least for now.
If he proves that he can't make them in the long run this year, that would be a concern...
If he proves that he can't make them in the long run this year, that would be a concern...
Jazz4ever
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That's more or less my view. He was consistently good to great in preseason. We'll see how he does against normal guards, Bledsoe and Beverly are famous for completely shutting down opposing PGs.
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The right answer is: "well, we saw how they excelled in the preseason, we saw how they excelled in their college careers, so we know they can shoot. They're just cold right now".
candrew
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I think you're right, Hood has excellent mechanics, I think he's rushing his shot a bit though. Very correct-able.
seattlejazzfan
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Or in Trey's case, cold over the last 70 games that mattered, plus two summer leagues. So, in his NBA career, Burke has played in two summer leagues, a preseason and an entire season and counting and he shot the ball well in one preseason. I think the trend is that he isn't a good shooter at the NBA level - let's hope he can figure it out and become adequate.
MDAV28
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This is my problem, too. At what point do we say, he just isn't a good shooter?
The last time he shot at least 50% in a regular season game is March 16 in San Antonio. 19 games ago.
Stifle Tower
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Hood is a rookie, Trey is not.
All the Burke supporters claimed he would make a big leap in his sophomore season. He has not. He's had 2 preseasons, two summer leagues, a full NBA season and is now entering his second. If/when Hood reaches that point and is still shooting poorly, then there is cause for real concern. Now if Burke were the equivalent of Rajon Rondo, Utah could maybe live with his poor shooting. When the best that can be said of Trey is that "he doesn't turn the ball over," that's not very encouraging.
I'm not looking for a ton of assists from Trey. In fact, I doubt many PG's would be top-10 in that category in Quin's offense. As stated by others, there should be several players with 3-4 assists each night. But Utah NEEDS players who can hit open shots.
We're actually seeing why Sloan disapproved of the 3 so much. Each miss results in a long rebound, with the player defending the shooter releasing and getting out on the break. Happened several times last night and was the only thing keeping Phoenix in the game. But they simply had no answer inside for Favors (or Hayward or Booker when they took it inside). Jazz are in a much better position than Phoenix; they have a dominant post player in Favors with another very good developing defender in Gobert. Unless Len or Plumlee take a huge leap, the Suns lack the inside game. Instead, they've invested a ton of money in their 3 guards.
orangello
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Yes because college and the NBA preseason represent a good sample size for NBA games that matter.
MDAV28
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Even looking at ALL the games since he was drafted, including Summer League and Preseason games, Trey's percentages are 37% FG and 32% 3PT.
Throw in college shooting as well, so total shooting percentages since his first season at Michigan (2011-2012) until last night, his percentages are 38% FG and 34% 3PT.
orangello
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Ouch, so what you're saying is it doesn't look good?
I am starting to get a bit worried about Burke's future with the team long-term. This is what I wrote in the game thread:
The Kings let Isiah Thomas walk and he is a much better player than Burke right now. I fear that once Exum becomes a better player, we won't be able to get much for Burke which would be a real shame.
The Kings let Isiah Thomas walk and he is a much better player than Burke right now. I fear that once Exum becomes a better player, we won't be able to get much for Burke which would be a real shame.
MDAV28
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What I'm saying is looking at a little over 3 years of basketball at different levels and competitiveness, Trey isn't that great of a shooter so it's a legitimate question. He still is young and can improve his shot obviously but as of now I don't think he is just a streaky shooter, I think he just is a below average shooter.
And to be fair, the question started by comparing to Rodney Hood. Rodney Hood since he was drafted is at about 38% FG and 33% 3PT, but that is only 1 Summer League and Preseason and 3 Regular Season games. Factoring in college shooting (which is basically all of his shots to date) he's at around 45%/39%
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Stifle Tower
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I doubt we'd get much for Burke right now. Even the dumbest GM's can look at the stats and see Trey is following up his stellar 38%/33% rookie season with 35%/13% to date. A backup PG on a rookie contract: that should be worth a 2nd round pick.
Yeah well what I meant was in a year or two when Exum is better, Trey should be a bit better as well.
But you know, that draft, we got a steal in Gobert, plus the whole draft was B-A-D, so I guess we can't complain too much.
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Burke will easily pull to around 42-43/36 from three at least by the end of next year, but probably this year.
Aaron Falk pointed out some nice stats.
Aaron Falk @tribjazz
As a rookie, Trey Burke averaged 1.9 ppg off drives & Jazz got 5.9 ppg off Burke drives. So far this year? More than double that: 4 & 12.
Team PPG on drives leaders: M. Ellis & T. Evans (15), B. Knight (14), Ty Lawson (13.5), Burke, Harden, Tony Parker & Elfrid Payton (12).
And this is all when his shot is not falling. As long as the offense gives him some open looks, his percentages will go up. There is nothing wrong with his mechanics.
Aaron Falk @tribjazz
As a rookie, Trey Burke averaged 1.9 ppg off drives & Jazz got 5.9 ppg off Burke drives. So far this year? More than double that: 4 & 12.
Team PPG on drives leaders: M. Ellis & T. Evans (15), B. Knight (14), Ty Lawson (13.5), Burke, Harden, Tony Parker & Elfrid Payton (12).
And this is all when his shot is not falling. As long as the offense gives him some open looks, his percentages will go up. There is nothing wrong with his mechanics.