Chad Ford: Exum > Burke right now; rookie player that's most positively surprising

[Hantlers]

haha your perception of me is truly hysterical!!!

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You truly never disappoint.

 

[zman1527]

I'm curious how you know that coaches factor in trade value in doling out playing time. I'm assuming coaches have a strong disincentive to factor in trade value in doling out playing time and, thus, reducing the likelihood of winning. You're assuming they do.

I can understand coaches giving players playing time for development purposes (even in this case, I think coaches are hesitant to do so absent direction from the GM), but, unless a GM mandates it, I'm highly skeptical that coaches dole out PT to enhance trade value, or that this is done with much frequency.

Always makes me laugh how the "traders" here think it is so easy to outwit the GMs around the league, guys who have 20 years experience, do this 24/7, and get paid a million bucks a year. "Trey sucks but if we play him maybe we can trade him for Rondo or Steph". LMAO. Exaggerating but you get the idea. If a guy is only worth a bag of Doritos don't expect to get more.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Always makes me laugh how the "traders" here think it is so easy to outwit the GMs around the league, guys who have 20 years experience, do this 24/7, and get paid a million bucks a year. "Trey sucks but if we play him maybe we can trade him for Rondo or Steph". LMAO. Exaggerating but you get the idea. If a guy is only worth a bag of Doritos don't expect to get more.

Yep, as if GMs don't have access to stats or game tapes more dated than the most recent game or don't talk with scouts or other player personnel 'experts.'

 

[candrew]

Burke's body language sucked last night - and his performance was even worse. But you're fooling yourselves if you think Jazz are going to trade him any time soon.

Burke will finish out the season as the starting PG - what happens after that I don't know. But the FO would be complete idiots to dump this guy without giving him at least a full season.

 

[Stoked]

Burke's body language sucked last night - and his performance was even worse. But you're fooling yourselves if you think Jazz are going to trade him any time soon.

Burke will finish out the season as the starting PG - what happens after that I don't know. But the FO would be complete idiots to dump this guy without giving him at least a full season.

This is why I think it is unlikely that they trade anyone this year. I think the FO wants to see what Snyder can do with them.

Specifically Kanter and Burke.

 

[LjJazzman]

I don't know if the great preseason by Trey is hurting him or helping him. Personally he made my expectations of him a lot higher then they would have been coming off of last season. So how he has played drives me crazy because I have seen him play so much better. But maybe that preseason was a complete fluke and this really is more of who he is and we need to drastically lower our expectations.

Its so frustrating having him play so badly. IF we had an average pg contribution compared to every other team I think we are fighting for the 8th seed in the playoffs this year.

I don't think we should be starting Exum even though I think he is outplaying Trey. Let Exum play against more second units and get his confidence up. I think thats the smartest way to develop him.

 

[candrew]

This is why I think it is unlikely that they trade anyone this year. I think the FO wants to see what Snyder can do with them.

Specifically Kanter and Burke.

Kanter might go because he's expiring and I think at this point Jazz are leaning towards not re-signing him unless it's a market value deal or less.

But even if they do trade him it won't be a lateral move or a trade just for the sake of making a trade (when does Utah do that anyway).

But Burke isn't going anywhere unless it's a great deal - and really, who is going to offer Utah anything above value for him right now.

 

[Jeffrey32]

I think it is OK if eventually Exum becomes the starter and Burke becomes the career back-up. He would probably be a Top back-up in the league, a new age Eisley, who could play well against second units. Not every player can be a max contract guy. Plus, Exum was drafter higher in a deeper draft class, so he should eventually be Utah's starting, hopefully all-star PG.

 

[freakazoid]

For most players, yes, but for players who potentially have more value in a trade than in keeping, of course trade value factors in at times to the way coaches play them. This is especially true for a rebuilding team. Sounds like you think there is no communication between coach and GM, once the coach is hired. Realistically, of course GMs tell the coaches what to do at times, when it comes to giving playing time to someone they are looking to move.

I'm curious how you know that coaches factor in trade value in doling out playing time. I'm assuming coaches have a strong disincentive to factor in trade value in doling out playing time and, thus, reducing the likelihood of winning. You're assuming they do.

I can understand coaches giving players playing time for development purposes (even in this case, I think coaches are hesitant to do so absent direction from the GM), but, unless a GM mandates it, I'm highly skeptical that coaches dole out PT to enhance trade value, or that this is done with much frequency.

Reading is fundamental. Coaches do not factor in trade value. However, sometimes when GMs are looking to move someone, they will tell the coach to play X player so many minutes, as to SHOWCASE them to potential trade partners. Perhaps a team has concerns over health issues or whatever. But YES, GMs do communicate with the coach about such things as benching someone who may be a potential trade asset. Therefore, if GMs sometimes ask/tell a coach to give someone minutes in anticipation of a trade happening, then trade value factors in to the way that player is used.

 

[candrew]

I think it is OK if eventually Exum becomes the starter and Burke becomes the career back-up. He would probably be a Top back-up in the league, a new age Eisley, who could play well against second units. Not every player can be a max contract guy. Plus, Exum was drafter higher in a deeper draft class, so he should eventually be Utah's starting, hopefully all-star PG.

Burke is locked in for the next 2 years for just over 5 mil. This is about what it would cost you for a good veteran back-up PG. So even if Burke still manages to somehow bottom out as a starter, it's still economically viable to keep him.

 

[stitches]

Reading is fundamental. Coaches do not factor in trade value. However, sometimes when GMs are looking to move someone, they will tell the coach to play X player so many minutes, as to SHOWCASE them to potential trade partners. Perhaps a team has concerns over health issues or whatever. But YES, GMs do communicate with the coach about such things as benching someone who may be a potential trade asset. Therefore, if GMs sometimes ask/tell a coach to give someone minutes in anticipation of a trade happening, then trade value factors in to the way that player is used.

At some point(we are not there yet) what should worry us if we are concerned with showcasing Trey for eventual buyers is that what we are showcasing might actually turn buyers off and plummet his value even more the more we play him.

 

[freakazoid]

Always makes me laugh how the "traders" here think it is so easy to outwit the GMs around the league, guys who have 20 years experience, do this 24/7, and get paid a million bucks a year. "Trey sucks but if we play him maybe we can trade him for Rondo or Steph". LMAO. Exaggerating but you get the idea. If a guy is only worth a bag of Doritos don't expect to get more.

Moving Burks to the bench now would have multiple repercussions, one of which would be setting his trade value squarely as that of a backup. Considering that we spent two 1st rounders for him, that's a major failure, and one that the FO is NOT going to concede this year. However, as long as he keeps starting, there's a chance he'll turn things around enough to increase his trade value. Believe it or not, those well paid professionals know exactly what price they paid for trey, and although you may think it's time to declare him a bag of Doritos, they have considerably more invested in him to just give up and accept that pick as a failure.