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Trade - Kanter and Burke for Isaiah Thomas and TJ Warren (proposed)

NAOS said:
Phoenix just acquired Brandan Wright, Len is developing, and Plumlee does his job. Then, they have Thomas in his best role and at good value. Then, they have a guy on a cheap contract for the next 3.5 years.

But, yeah, they'll take Kanter. This is totally plausible. Let it sink in, yall.
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Yeah, the fact they acquired Brenden Wright tells me that they would wet themselves to get at Kanter. It also leads me to believe that Kanter isn't on the Market, because Phoenix would probably have been the clearest destination.
 
I bet that if JJ Barea wasn't on Dallas the year they won it, then the Heat would have beat Dallas. JJ looked like an Allstar in the finals against a Lebron James led super team.


If you don't remember it, then Google it.


I'm telling you, there is something to it. Having a small guy on your team that's as good as Thomas is, can be huge deal if you have the right team. Of course he isn't the main piece or the best player, it's just add to the team a different dynamic. Remember Nate Robinson for Chicago in the playoffs a couple years ago?

You don't want a bunch of overlapping talents, you need different types and sizes of players. Plus he is extremely quick. Speed kills. Kanter is slow.


Isaiah Thomas with Gobert increases his value imo. If we didn't have a rim protector like Gobert or even Favors, I'm not sure I'd be as comfortable with it. But we do.
 
NAOS said:
Phoenix just acquired Brandan Wright, Len is developing, and Plumlee does his job. Then, they have Thomas in his best role and at good value. Then, they have a guy on a cheap contract for the next 3.5 years.

But, yeah, they'll take Kanter. This is totally plausible. Let it sink in, yall.
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How many times have you seen a trade that made you shake your head. Weird things happen. Maybe they like Kanter a lot more than we do. Maybe Hornacek really likes Kanter.

Maybe we could do a 3 way trade.


Why are you such a Debbie Doubter? Press for it. Be aggressive. It's possible.
 
Hack said:
How many times have you seen a trade that made you shake your head. Weird things happen. Maybe they like Kanter a lot more than we do. Maybe Hornacek really likes Kanter.

Maybe we could do a 3 way trade.


Why are you such a Debbie Doubter? Press for it. Be aggressive. It's possible.
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wtf are you talking about? This is a bad trade, dude. If you're gonna propose something (on a fan site), at least have it be a cool idea. This is ****.

<waiting for the next comment about JJ Barea>
 
NAOS said:
wtf are you talking about? This is a bad trade, dude. If you're gonna propose something (on a fan site), at least have it be a cool idea. This is ****.

<waiting for the next comment about JJ Barea>
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This is a great idea and you know it!!

Or you really don't and are dumb
 
NAOS said:
Maybe we should just acquire JJ Barea so we can win the championship this year.
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Is this what you do for fun?

Argue just to argue much?


JJ Barea is getting old and slowing down. Thomas is also better. Which is another reason why we should do it. Thomas will be an even better version than what JJ Barea was.
 
Hack said:
Is this what you do for fun?

Argue just to argue much?


JJ Barea is getting old and slowing down. Thomas is also better. Which is another reason why we should do it. Thomas will be an even better version than what JJ Barea was.
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Dude, do you even realize how critical Barea was to the Mavericks championship team? I'm sure he still has plenty left in the tank, and I want to win the championship this year. You clearly lack foresight.
 
Remember how Barea was abusing the Lakers in their series that year as well? It was working on everyone, not just the Heat. . I remember Bynum getting so frustrated with him that he hit Barea with a forearm shiver.
 
NAOS said:
Dude, do you even realize how critical Barea was to the Mavericks championship team? I'm sure he still has plenty left in the tank, and I want to win the championship this year. You clearly lack foresight.
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I didn't say he has plenty left in the tank. You just made that up.
 
Hack said:
Remember how Barea was abusing the Lakers in their series that year as well? It was working on everyone, not just the Heat. . I remember Bynum getting so frustrated with him that he hit Barea with a forearm shiver.
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I do remember. barea was amazing against lakers and heat. He literally beat the lakers by himself.
 
Actually Eric Bledsoe is the one that Phoenix is reportedly looking to trade. And big men like Kanter are hard to come by. Phoenix becomes that much more deadly with a interior scorer, who likes the paint. The fact that Enes is developing a 3 point shot is just gravy to Horny's offense.

Jazz should trade Kanter, Burke, Steve Novak & Jeremy Evans (for salary purposes) and our 2017 - 1st round pick (they won't take GSW's right now it's value is zero) for Bledsoe, TJ Warren, and Miles Plumlee.
It certainly works salary cap wise: https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o37onf6

Bledsoe is unhappy in Phoenix and feels he deserves more of an opportunity to shine . He's right, and he'll get it in Utah. He's a ferocious defensive player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnzK6_pI4JI) and you put him in a lineup with Gobert at his back - and all of a sudden the Jazz take huge leap up the defensive team rankings. Bringing Bledsoe in also should help foster the development of Dante Exum.

Warren gives the Jazz a legit 3, who can score in bunches which is the other thing the Jazz sorely need. We need someone who isn't afraid to shoot the ball. Warren's being brought along slowly (alla Exum) and missed some time because of a pre-season injury. But, it's possible that he would be our leading scorer a few years down the road.

Plumlee, we make sure to include so we have a back up center to help in Kanter's absence. Not that the Gobert-Favors-Booker front court hasn't looked amazing at times, he's just insurance.

Burke makes sense for Phoenix because he's insurance if Goran Dragic gets an answer he can't refuse. He also fits their system very well.

Kanter is the guy they might never be able to get in the draft. Bigs with offensive moves like his don't come cheap. With Kanter almost definitely looking at a max offer from another team this summer, the Jazz are in danger of losing him for nothing. This way they get to use the money they might have spent on Kanter to lock in Bledsoe for 4 more years (the length of his contract), accelerate their rebuild, and playing a more veteran PG will also help with the development of our young roster as a whole.

The Jazz after the trade:

C- Gobert, Plumlee
PF- Favors, Booker
SF- Warren, Ingles, Hood
SG- Hayward, Burks, Millsap
PG- Bledsoe, Exum, Clark

The 2015-2016 Jazz:

C- Gobert, Plumlee,
PF- Favors, Booker, K. Porzingis (draftee)
SF- TJ Warren, Hood, Ingles
SG- G. Hayward, A. Burks
PG- Bledsoe, Exum, R. Neto

Of course trades like this almost never happen when: A) They are teams in the same conference, and B) It makes sense for both teams. The one thing I do know is that while in the past KOC has always played it very conservatively (except the DWill trade - which blew everyone away and was his best moment), Dennis Lindsey has made a trade every year. He's not trigger shy, if he thinks it's in the Jazz best interest - it'll happen. The deadline should be fun.
 
Hack said:
I am right.

This one easy. Winning in the NBA is about being bold and making bold moves, and not waiting til it's too late. Sometimes that takes risky decisions.

It's clear, the Jazz have their front court set now. It's Gobert and Favors. We didn't expect this, but nevertheless it's here. We have to decide, or else we lose value.

We can't max Kanter and bring him off the bench.
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It's also about timing and not making moves out of impatience or desperation. I think Utah would move Kanter for the right deal, but they aren't going to just dump him for whatever they can get because of an offer he may never get, or because they want to make a playoff push from the 3rd worst record in the west. To be honest, Phoenix is in the 8th spot and they still probably won't make the playoffs, due to a very tough west. It's that tough this year.
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As far as Kanter getting a huge offer in the offseason, I don't think it's a given. Teams don't go after RFAs unless they feel they have a good shot at not getting matched. The Hayward match is still fresh in their minds, and they know they're going to have to overpay to keep Utah from matching Kanter. They may not want to have their money tied up in a player they probably won't get, when there are other players to pursue. Hard to say for sure, but I don't think it's a given that Kanter gets a huge offer.
 
freakazoid said:
It's also about timing and not making moves out of impatience or desperation. I think Utah would move Kanter for the right deal, but they aren't going to just dump him for whatever they can get because of an offer he may never get, or because they want to make a playoff push from the 3rd worst record in the west. To be honest, Phoenix is in the 8th spot and they still probably won't make the playoffs, due to a very tough west. It's that tough this year.
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As far as Kanter getting a huge offer in the offseason, I don't think it's a given. Teams don't go after RFAs unless they feel they have a good shot at not getting matched. The Hayward match is still fresh in their minds, and they know they're going to have to overpay to keep Utah from matching Kanter. They may not want to have their money tied up in a player they probably won't get, when there are other players to pursue. Hard to say for sure, but I don't think it's a given that Kanter gets a huge offer.
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That's exactly right. It's all about timing. This may be the time to trade him.

Regardless of the money, feelings are involved. Is Kanter going to want to come off the bench? It's eventually got to happen right? And what if he does get a huge payday? Then you are forced to match so you don't lose him for nothing. I'm not sure that paying a backup big money makes sense.
 
Hack said:
Ya, but what's missed in your point is, Kanter's contract moves up with the cap. The chance to save money has passed. Even more reason to trade him.

Am I wrong about that?
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A lot of players have been structuring their deals so they can become a FA when the big jump hits in two years. That's the reason for all the short term contracts lately. That leads me to believe that agents don't expect contracts to be adjusted. IMO, contracts being signed now have the potential to be huge bargains after the jump. I also wouldn't doubt it if some contracts being written now are taking the expected jump into account, which means they may be a little over value now to compensate. A lot of people are shaking their heads at Burks' contract, but when the cap jumps it may very well end up being a bargain. Another reason to re-sign Kanter to a multi-year deal at decent value now. Player values will only be going up.
 
freakazoid said:
A lot of players have been structuring their deals so they can become a FA when the big jump hits in two years. That's the reason for all the short term contracts lately. That leads me to believe that agents don't expect contracts to be adjusted. IMO, contracts being signed now have the potential to be huge bargains after the jump. I also wouldn't doubt it if some contracts being written now are taking the expected jump into account, which means they may be a little over value now to compensate. A lot of people are shaking their heads at Burks' contract, but when the cap jumps it may very well end up being a bargain. Another reason to re-sign Kanter to a multi-year deal at decent value now. Player values will only be going up.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the cap possibly going up this summer?

Won't Kanter's contract start next year?
 
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