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My take on what the Jazz should do this season & in the future

Keep posting Karl Malone. Try talking in the third person though. Its more entertaining. Also, I liker the part about how they should gut the team other than, you know, other than keeping half of the team in hay, exum, faves, Gobert, hoodie, and Burks.
 
Karl Malone mad! Don't you ever let Karl Malone see anyone making fun of Karl Malone again!
Or Karl Malone whoop yo ***! :mad:

Burgers are ready...
 
Karl Malone appreciates the many replies . . .

In all seriousness, thank you for the well thought-out responses.

Due to posting via phone, I was unable to explain my p.o.v. as thoroughly as I would have preferred to (which is prob a good thing due to the length of the original post).

To expand, my stance of wanting to trade Kanter, Burke, & Booker is based almost solely on the affect it would have on our draft position rather than the assets we would acquire; & while I agree with the poster who suggested that the difference in talent level between lottery picks outside of the top 4 is minimal, I believe that any team that would be willing to move out of the top 4 would only do so if it had identified "it's guy" somewhere in that 5-10 range & could still acquire him (on top of whatever other assets are included), so having the #5 pick vs the #10 pick (for example) could potentially be the difference in whether or not the hypothetical deal occurs. So maybe it's not worth giving up valuable assets for less than their actual worth, but irregardless, at this point, I personally would not be comfortable committing 10+ mil to Kanter (although I may feel differently were it not for the Burks extension). I would rather receive a late 1st for him than get stuck paying another player who I am not convinced fits within our future starting 5. Twenty plus million is far too much $ to be paying 2 (ideally) bench players, although I do believe both players are capable of starting with the right type of players surrounding them (which I do not believe our current roster projects to do).

As far as Burke & Booker go, while I do believe that both players may be worth retaining due to the fact that both can be done so without contributing significant $ to, I do not believe that trading just Kanter ascends (or rather descends) our draft pick to that 5/6 range. As much as I'd like to assure that we have a high energy role player such as Booker coming off of the bench (just as I felt with DMC last yr) or a backup PG as talented as Burke, I strongly feel that missing out on the final piece of our (potentially) Detroit Pistons-esqe (championship team) caliber starting 5 would be much more difficult to overcome than trading away key (yet still replaceable) bench contributors.

As much as I do not want to see this team lose a single game, let alone a lot of them, what is the point of winning any of them if you never had a legitimate chance at winning the last one? (I know, I'm being dramatic/hyperbolic)

What it comes down to is that, even with maximum development/improvement, I don't see a championship caliber team in:

pg-exum/burke
sg-burks/draft pick (in #8-12 range) or hood
sf-hayward/hood or draft pick
pf-favors/booker
c-gobert/kanter

Instead, I see a team that is close but no(t smoking the celebratory) cigar, such as the ones we had with stockton/me/etc & dwill/boozer/etc (not to compare the 2 as the former almost assuredly would have won at least 1 championship had it not been for MJ). Obviously, it is extremely difficult & nearly impossible to predict the future careers of athletes who are still prohibited from enjoying an alcoholic beverage, let alone how those future careers will fit/coincide with one another. I just hope this front office decides to swing for the fences rather than settle for the sure fire extra-base hit with the hopes of getting lucky & stretching it into an inside the park hr.

P.S. Karl Malone apologizes for the baseball analogy as well as yet another extremely lengthy post.
 
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You need an editor, the first 7 or so paragraphs said basically the exact same thing. You also could have just said: Trade non essential players, tank for one last shot at a superstar.

I disagree with the strategy, mainly because, for this particular rebuild my rooting for losses days are over. The draft pick is what it is, at the end of the year I'll obviously be more happy if it's higher. But I'm not cheering for a loss. (Also have a strange feeling we are gonna get top 3 lotto pick.)

Good first post though. Stick around.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
You need an editor, the first 7 or so paragraphs said basically the exact same thing. You also could have just said: Trade non essential players, tank for one last shot at a superstar.

I disagree with the strategy, mainly because, for this particular rebuild my rooting for losses days are over. The draft pick is what it is, at the end of the year I'll obviously be more happy if it's higher. But I'm not cheering for a loss. (Also have a strange feeling we are gonna get top 3 lotto pick.)

Good first post though. Stick around.
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I have the same feeling. I really hope we get one of Russell, towns or mudiay.
 
we used to coin core 4 alot- Hayward, Gobert, Favors and Exum anyone outside that Id be fine with using to trade up that said very rare you move up too many picks- I remember that trade with Portland where we netted Deron, most we might be able to move up 1-3 picks the way we are going now we might be picking 10-13? we might be losing alot of games but competing and learning from these losses, Im excited about the future here
 
karl malone said:
First & foremost, thank you to all of those who provide information & insight in the seemingly never-ending (but hopefully soon-ending) conversation on how to get the Utah Jazz that elusive, first NBA championship. Also, I apologize in advance for the length of this post.

As everyone on this site knows, the Jazz have assembled one of the best collections of young talent throughout the entire league. What is unknown is how this front office should use that collection of assets to best position this franchise to win it's first title.

Also common knowledge is the fact that, in this current NBA, it is extremely difficult to win a championship without a "superstar" or two. As a small market team, acquiring just one of those caliber of players is equally difficult. While Utah may yet already have it's superstar, it is far too early to tell & far too risky to count on.

While the Jazz have made large contractual commitments to Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, & Alec Burks, they also having young players such as Rudy Gobert & Dante Exum, both of whom represent the team's best chance at having it's own, homegrown superstar(s). Obviously, there are also several other young talented players, such as Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, & Rodney Hood, who may have potential roles with the team.

Due to the current state of the NBA, it has become clear that teams (especially those of the small market nature) are best off being either a legitimate championship contender or a legitimate contender for the #1 pick in the NBA draft. The Jazz realized this a few years ago & decided to attempt to be the latter type of franchise, although they appear to have done too good of a job acquiring talent as they have been good enough to not get that necessary, surefire superstar, yet bad enough to remain in the lottery.

This roster was not assembled to compete this year, but instead assembled to develop into one that potentially could. From what I've seen, given a legitimate bench that includes a key veteran or two, this group of young talent could potentially do just that in the future. But, being a small market team, the Jazz need to give themselves the best opportunity to do that by stockpiling assets, which they have certainly done. Now, while players such as Kanter & Burke could provide tremendous value off of the bench, it is clear that the roster contains certain players at their positions whom not only arguably have more talent, but also seemingly fit better alongside the other key pieces of the team.

I would have also included Burks in this list if it weren't for what I suspect to be an untradable contract extension due to his injury - although I do believe he can (& will) be an ideal sixth man on a contending team. I would include Rodney Hood as well if not for his injury & currently (I suspect) low trade value. If not for their injuries & inability to contribute this year, I would be in favor of trading both - not because I don't value either player, but because of what I believe to be the best option for the team going forward. Which brings me to my next point . . .

Due to the increasingly rapid growth of what seems to be the core of the future team - hayward, favors, gobert, & (hopefully soon) exum - the window to acquire one last potential star appears to be quickly closing. It is this reason that I think the best move going forward is to extract as much potential, future assets as possible by dealing burke, kanter, & booker. While I certainly believe that all of those players could contribute as key role-players off of the bench, both in the future as well as the present (which they are doing & while is valuable, is much less so to a lottery bound team such as this one), I firmly believe that those players would provide more value through whatever non-contributing (to this year's team) assets that they would bring back in return.

All in all, this is a long-winded way of saying that I believe the front office should gut the roster (aside from exum, hayward, favors, gobert, burks, & hood) & throw in the towel of what has clearly become a lost season, rather than continuing to essentially be the lottery version of what they were with millsap & jefferson. Call it tanking or whatever you'd like, but I believe that this team would be best suited by making one last attempt to position itself to draft another potential star to play either pg (with exum sliding to the 2) or on the wing alongside hayward at the 2 or 3, depending on who is available (ideally a potentially elite scorer such as De'Angelo Russell), & then fill out the rest of a bench built around burks & hood using any remaining assets - whether it be in this draft or a future one (preferably this one in order to speed up our ascent to contention by allowing the key members of the team to build as much chemistry as quickly as possible).

I know that most of this is recycled information, & apologize for that, but without having any say in the moves that this front office makes, I would rather repeat what most of you are assuredly already aware of than do nothing; not that any of this will make a difference. For what it's worth, I have faith in this front office & trust whatever moves they make (or dont) going forward. I would just hate to watch as another Jazz team comes up an impact player short of realizing it's ultimate goal, which is what I think will be the likely outcome should the team stand pat & continue developing it's current group of players.

Regardless of what happens from this point forward, I will do everything within my power to see the Utah Jazz win an NBA championship, or die trying. Go Jazz!
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I love this post. In all reality. However when you say " gut the roster except for..... etc..." I don't think that is quite gutting the roster as much as it is strengthening role players. We are keeping a foundation together, and it would be nice to get a good key piece in place even if it means giving up one of those foundation players, (depending on who it is, and who its for). I like the fact that you mentioned building the bench but are those guys going to be happy accepting a bench role?? I don't think they will be. If they are, we have a great piece to a complicated puzzle solved. I hope I am wrong.
 
"Gut the team" was a poor choice of words on my behalf; I should have phrased it more along the lines of ridding this year's roster of contributing players who do not project to be in the future starting 5.

Also, to clarify, I am not suggesting that we as fans root for losses, or for the team itself to play for losses; just that the front office positions this year's team to have the best opportunity possible to acquire a potential impact player in next year's draft by thinning out the roster as much as possible (which is basically what they did heading into the season, as even without the injuries, the team was likely never deep or experienced enough to compete-especially in the western conference), while still retaining the core 4.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
You need an editor, the first 7 or so paragraphs said basically the exact same thing. You also could have just said: Trade non essential players, tank for one last shot at a superstar.

I disagree with the strategy, mainly because, for this particular rebuild my rooting for losses days are over. The draft pick is what it is, at the end of the year I'll obviously be more happy if it's higher. But I'm not cheering for a loss. (Also have a strange feeling we are gonna get top 3 lotto pick.)

Good first post though. Stick around.
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Agreed. This team isn't about losing anymore. It doesn't win much right now because it isn't ready yet, but it has enough to start winning consistently next year.
 
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