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Is that a decrease from last year? What %age of them is he scoring on/assisting on?
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Is that a decrease from last year? What %age of them is he scoring on/assisting on?
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Redick has an all-around offensive game. He can shoot off the dribble and he is very good at pulling up. You need to watch some more basketball games.
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You're kidding yourself if you claim that Redick isn't an off-the-ball player.
(We could be having conflicting definitions of what this means-- cannot think of any other reason as to why you're missing this).
Cyrone. Name 5 off-the-ball NBA players, and let's compare their stats to Khris.
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Middleton also has a very reliable mid-range turnaround jump shot.
jjscap
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I'd be happy with Middleton. This guy will be real good in this league, like Jimmy Butler good. Not sure if the Utah Jazz desperately need another draft pick given we already have an elite frontcourt with Hayward, Favors, Gobert and guards are relatively easy to find/acquire in case Burks, Hood, Exum don't live up to their potential.
Exum - Middleton - Hayward - Favors - Gobert
6'6" - 6'8" - 6'8" - 6'10" - 7'2"
Exum - Middleton - Hayward - Favors - Gobert
6'6" - 6'8" - 6'8" - 6'10" - 7'2"
Off-the-ball players are guys who can only be effective off teh ball and have little to no ability to create a shot if they have to put the ball on the floor. A guy like Anthony Morrow to me is a classic example of an off-the-ball player.
Does Redick do a lot of his damage off-ball, of course, but he is extremely capable of putting the ball on the floor and has moves to get himself open if need be and get a good shot off.
Middleton has moves, you are blind if you don't realize that. How many purely off-ball players can post up?
MDAV28
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It's painfully obvious somebody hasn't watched much of Middleton this season... It's fine, but I don't know why they seem to be an expert on their value after admitting they have seen like 3 games he has played all season.
I've seen maybe 20 games Middleton has played this year and by no means am I an expert either. I think I catch most of his good nights. One meh game I remember was actually the Jazz-Bucks game. He seems to have an impact on both ends of the floor when I'm watching the Bucks.
I've seen maybe 20 games Middleton has played this year and by no means am I an expert either. I think I catch most of his good nights. One meh game I remember was actually the Jazz-Bucks game. He seems to have an impact on both ends of the floor when I'm watching the Bucks.
I don't have his numbers from last year on that one. BTW, that's very few possessions in case you wonder(35 possessions for 50 games this year), so you are not wrong that he doesn't run many of their pick and rolls, but they have ball-handlers to do that. It's just not his role. On your question - he's taken a shot in 24 of those 35 possessions(so about 68%).
Orlando apparently wants to move Moe Harkless and Andrew Nicholson. Not that this is entirely relevant.
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You're not understanding the comparison, because you're missing my point. They have completely different games-- I am not comparing them as players AT ALL. I'm just telling you that a good shooter is worthless if he's not taking enough shots. Plain and simple.
PLS find me a list of rotating players who average >41% from three, yet only make 1.3 a game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjxwx5IKlWM
@ 00:50 he realizes he has a size mismatch and choose to take Corey Joseph in the post with his back to the basket. Backs him down to the mid post then faces up and does a step back move for a sweet jumper. That is the kind of player he was at A&M and he is starting to unleash those moves this year. That is what makes him more than just an "off-the-ball" player. He has moves, he knows how to score in different ways.
@ 00:50 he realizes he has a size mismatch and choose to take Corey Joseph in the post with his back to the basket. Backs him down to the mid post then faces up and does a step back move for a sweet jumper. That is the kind of player he was at A&M and he is starting to unleash those moves this year. That is what makes him more than just an "off-the-ball" player. He has moves, he knows how to score in different ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se6Sci1tVeg
This game really highlighted how he can score from anywhere on the court.
He has spot-ups, off screens, post-ups, dribble pull ups, floaters, and slashing. This dude has a complete offensive game as well as being a lights out 3pt shooter.
This game really highlighted how he can score from anywhere on the court.
He has spot-ups, off screens, post-ups, dribble pull ups, floaters, and slashing. This dude has a complete offensive game as well as being a lights out 3pt shooter.
jjscap
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Best thing about that is that he is a left side dominant player. Hayward and Burks are both right side dominant.
Question is why would the Bucks wanna let him go? He (SG) seems like the perfect compliment to Giannis (SF) and Parker (PF).
**** taht dude on twitter who said a Woj bomb was coming soon.
Here's a distribution about Middleton's offensive game and how good he is at those(percentile):
6.3% ball handler in PnR - 37 percentile
17.4% transition - 68 percentile
4.3% isolation - 94 percentile
8.9% post ups - 90 percentile
30.4% spot ups - 90 percentile
5.6% hand-offs - 2.3 percentile
4.7% cuts - 77 percentile
13.9% off-screen - 46 percentile
2.7% putbacks - 33.5 percentile
6.3% ball handler in PnR - 37 percentile
17.4% transition - 68 percentile
4.3% isolation - 94 percentile
8.9% post ups - 90 percentile
30.4% spot ups - 90 percentile
5.6% hand-offs - 2.3 percentile
4.7% cuts - 77 percentile
13.9% off-screen - 46 percentile
2.7% putbacks - 33.5 percentile