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Israel-Hamas War

If you and your family had endured 75 years of colonization, and continued abuse in the biggest ghetto on earth, I'd would listen more intently to exactly what you yourself would consider.

But if you'd like to listen to an American on this matter, consider the admissions of president Harry Truman:


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So are you saying:

1) Hamas is a good organization and the right one to govern Gaza?

2) Hamas attacked Israeli civilians on Oct. 7th in an effort to serve their people and improve the lives of Palestinian civilians?

3) The attacks on Oct. 7th were necessary in order for Hamas to fulfill its obligations to the people they represent?

4) Hamas is currently surprised that the attacks on Oct. 7th have led to a response by Israel that is hurting Palestinian civilians?

If you answer to these questions is no, then WTF are we even talking about?

If your answer to these questions is yes, then what the **** are you smoking?
 
The October 7th attack, directed not at a strategic target, instead specifically directed at innocent people. Maybe you call them colonizers, so you consider them fair game. I do not. The goal of the attack was exactly what we are seeing now. It was never looking to reclaim territory, or to improve living conditions, or to have their rights better respected by Israel. It was intended to provoke Israel into an overreaction. It was heinous for the sake of being heinous because that would assure the most aggressive response by Israel.

What Israel is doing is exactly what Hamas wants them to be doing. This is the success Hamas was looking for when they executed a long planned attack on civilians. So forgive me if I'm not outraged on their behalf for getting exactly what they asked for.

There are no good guys here. There is no right side in this.
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So are you saying:

1) Hamas is a good organization and the right one to govern Gaza?

Netanyahu is the one who insisted as much since 2018 by sanctioning the Quatari funding of Hamas.


His goal the entire time, as indicated in the article, was to prevent a two-state resolution by making Hamas' stronger than the opposition Palestinian Authority, who opposed the funding.
2) Hamas attacked Israeli civilians on Oct. 7th in an effort to serve their people and improve the lives of Palestinian civilians?
This same question can be used to ask about the First Nations indigenous warriors on this continent who fought and killed (also) European settlers (considered civilians).

Do you consider braves to be "fanatics"? Or will you admit that they were correct to fight against their own systematic murder?
3) The attacks on Oct. 7th were necessary in order for Hamas to fulfill its obligations to the people they represent?
I've never been in a prison. Everyone in Palestine was born into one. I generally don't condone violence, but if someone did harm to my family on this scale, and for this long, I don't know what I would do. It probably wouldn't look too good. I find myself reluctant to judge colonized peoples because they are always the ones with a sword resting on their neck.

If you do not consider this to be fascism, then tell me why every Palestinian born in Gaza and the West Bank has to register under a number with the Israeli government. Tell me why soldiers can go into any home and terrorize any family with impunity. Tell me why one of the most advanced militaries in the world cannot act with precision in this matter.

4) Hamas is currently surprised that the attacks on Oct. 7th have led to a response by Israel that is hurting Palestinian civilians?
After 75 years, they are not surprised. You are asking these questions as if all things are equal on both sides. They have not been equal since 1948. It is a line of questioning that is intellectually dishonest.

If your answer to these questions is yes, then what the **** are you smoking?
When you read history, you don't have to smoke anything. Your mind gets blown every time you open a book.
 
Netanyahu is the one who insisted as much since 2018 by sanctioning the Quatari funding of Hamas.


His goal the entire time, as indicated in the article, was to prevent a two-state resolution by making Hamas' stronger than the opposition Palestinian Authority, who opposed the funding.

This same question can be used to ask about the First Nations indigenous warriors on this continent who fought and killed (also) European settlers (considered civilians).

Do you consider braves to be "fanatics"? Or will you admit that they were correct to fight against their own systematic murder?

I've never been in a prison. Everyone in Palestine was born into one. I generally don't condone violence, but if someone did harm to my family on this scale, and for this long, I don't know what I would do. It probably wouldn't look too good. I find myself reluctant to judge colonized peoples because they are always the ones with a sword resting on their neck.

If you do not consider this to be fascism, then tell me why every Palestinian born in Gaza and the West Bank has to register under a number with the Israeli government. Tell me why soldiers can go into any home and terrorize any family with impunity. Tell me why one of the most advanced militaries in the world cannot act with precision in this matter.


After 75 years, they are not surprised. You are asking these questions as if all things are equal on both sides. They have not been equal since 1948. It is a line of questioning that is intellectually dishonest.


When you read history, you don't have to smoke anything. Your mind gets blown every time you open a book.
You answered none of the questions.

I'm done.
 
You answered none of the questions.

I'm done.
That's ok. You didn't even address President Truman, who facilitated Churchill in giving Palestine to the Zionists.

If you don't recognize colonialism by brutal regimes, what point could you possibly be trying to make anyway? "Everyone is bad"?
 
That's ok. You didn't even address President Truman, who facilitated Churchill in giving Palestine to the Zionists.

If you don't recognize colonialism by brutal regimes, what point could you possibly be trying to make anyway? "Everyone is bad"?
I don't accept homework in the middle of a discussion. I spend enough time doing this type of **** on the internet that I don't need reading assignments. If that disqualifies me from having a discussion with you then that's great.

I asked: Are you saying Hamas is a good organization and the right one to be leading Gaza? You responded: Netanyahu forced Hamas on Gaza.

Hamas can be good and the right leadership for Gaza regardless of the sidetrack you tried to throw at the question. The question was about your opinion of Hamas and you dodged because you don't want to answer the question about what YOU think. Then you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty? I stopped reading your response right there (okay I peaked at the rest of them and saw the same dodge and weave on all of them).
 
The question was about your opinion of Hamas
Yes, I know. It's disingenuous clown fodder that I would expect from a troll like Chewie.

Beginning with October 7 is the dodge and weave. 100%. Why? Because it ignores 100 years of context to pretend that Hamas started this in October.

History and context for current events is perhaps not where you should spend yourself if you don't like reading assignments.
 
Yes, I know. It's disingenuous clown fodder that I would expect from a troll like Chewie.

Beginning with October 7 is the dodge and weave. 100%. Why? Because it ignores 100 years of context to pretend that Hamas started this in October.

History and context for current events is perhaps not where you should spend yourself if you don't like reading assignments.
Cool man. There is nothing Hamas could do that Israelis didn't deserve x100. This conflict should continue until the end of time. .....
 
There is nothing Hamas could do that Israelis didn't deserve x100.
You're trying to be snarky, but what's funny about that it's always Palestinians suffering to the tune of ×100 while Israel just continues sending in their bulldozers to clear bombed buildings before bodies have even been recovered from the rubble.

Not funny "ha ha", of course.
 
You're trying to be snarky, but what's funny about that it's always Palestinians suffering to the tune of ×100 while Israel just continues sending in their bulldozers to clear bombed buildings before bodies have even been recovered from the rubble.

Not funny "ha ha", of course.
**** off

There are no good guys here. I've said that over and over. I'm still saying it.

It's like the saddest sunk cost fallacy in human history. Since they suck were going to continue down this path of ruin and commit all future generations to this path that will only lead to pain and death because we must throw our entire existence away to make them pay a fraction of the debt they owe us.

I'm blocking you simply to put an end to this pointless discussion.

I have nothing of real substance to add to any of this. I don't have a side in this. I am not a scholar of the history of Palestine or Israel and I have no intention to become one via links posted to this thread.
 

Sardines, I'll do the reading for you. The guy in this video was a communist terrorist. He was born in the West Bank, so no one took his land but he wanted to make the West Bank communist and for a time was the head of the Palestinian People's Party.


He also joined the PLO but was too nutty for them and lost a vote in 1996, He wants to kill Jews so Unborn Gore likes him.
 
That's ok. You didn't even address President Truman, who facilitated Churchill in giving Palestine to the Zionists.
LOL. Your conspiracy yarn board sucks. The UN came up with the partition plan, not the UK. Even if it had been the UK, Churchill was voted out of power three years earlier. Had Churchill still been Prime Minister in 1948 and the UK being responsible for the partition plan, the plan only gave 50% of Palestinian Mandate to the Jews. The other half was lost by the Arab armies after they initiated wars to wipe out the Jews and lost.

As far was who are the settlers, perhaps you should check with the Qur'an where Allah says Israel belongs to the Jews. Maybe the Palestinians should listen to Allah for once rather than spending the better part of a century spitting on his words.
 
Sardines, I'll do the reading for you. The guy in this video was a communist terrorist. He was born in the West Bank, so no one took his land but he wanted to make the West Bank communist and for a time was the head of the Palestinian People's Party.


He also joined the PLO but was too nutty for them and lost a vote in 1996, He wants to kill Jews so Unborn Gore likes him.
Just so everything is clear here, I'm not pro-Israel in this. I don't like what Israel has done to Palestinians, not only since Oct. 7th but for my entire life.

Israel is not the good guy. Israel has never been the good guy.

America is not the good guy.

I am not the good guy.

There are no good guys as far as the eye can see.
 

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Oh, please share!

That was the understanding for millennia. It wasn't until Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini aligned the Palestinian people with the Nazis in WWII that Arab Muslims tried to tap dance around the Qur'an to kill the Jews in the land Allah gave to them. I'm not a religious person myself, but if ever there were a sign from Allah that he disapproves of a particular action I'd say three lost wars despite having overwhelming advantages in numbers and conditions for those still trying to kill Jews getting worse after every intifada might be the sign.

Repent Unborn Gore or Allah may put a jihad on you too.

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