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Jazz trade Fonteccio to Pistons for 2024 2nd

cowhide said:
I agree Tec is a good player. You really don't know that, but you are entitled to believe it. How about we take some time and see if it was a bad or good trade. I have no idea if it is good or bad but I can understand a couple of reasons why they did it.
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If you need to get ultra-lucky for it to be a good trade, then it's not a good trade. Is it possible for a second round pick to become as good as Tec? Sure. Is it likely? No. Like I said, only one in five second round picks stay in the NBA long term. The chances of that pick hitting are low.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Nobody's saying it's franchise destroying. It may play a big part in destroying our playoff chances this season though. That's not great. I like the playoffs, I'm weird like that.

Maybe I'm just not jaded enough to try to justify this crap with stuff like "But but our billionaire owner will save some money now!"
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If we get Grimes it will make more sense. I think that is a decent possibility.
 
Simone is worth, and will likely get, a 4 year 15 million contract. Not sure if he is worth that for the Jazz.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Read what I said. I said he was worth. I have no idea what he will actually get.
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How many free agents get paid significantly less than they are worth?


how do you determine value except by finding out how much someone is actually willing to pay you?

This is one of your more curious takes.

Seems like you lack conviction in your opinion. Or maybe you are just backtracking from the edge of the cliff?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's because you got a problem with TU so anything he says you're going to have a problem with. TU just calling out people who are downplaying Simone so they can feel better about the trade.
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As if this is the first thread he has posted in lol
I have seen you criticize his overly negative posting style too you silly goose.
He is on the same side of a discussion currently so you are slobbing his knob.

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fishonjazz said:
As if this is the first thread he has posted in lol
I have seen you criticize his overly negative posting style too you silly goose.
He is on the same side of a discussion currently so you are slobbing his knob.

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Was about to say the same thing, lol.
 
All of you who act like the sky is falling ask yourselves these questions:
  • How many players do we have that are better than Tec? I say 6 at least.
  • How many 3&D wing defenders are there who are better than Tec? I say he is maybe fringe top 20.
Im not a fan of this trade either, but its not causing me massive FOMO. We can EASILY upgrade on his role.

Lets pass the final judgement on trading away the 7th best player in a .500 team after we see if there are other moves.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's been perfectly fine in this thread but you are acting like a BBB.
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He isn't just talking about this thread though. And you know that

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Fosto said:
It's a serious hit to the team's playoffs hopes this season.
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I agree. I don't like the trade.
I can't do anything about it.
So I'm excited to see what Ochai and Hendricks can do.
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silesian said:
How many free agents get paid significantly less than they are worth?


how do you determine value except by finding out how much someone is actually willing to pay you?

This is one of your more curious takes.

Seems like you lack conviction in your opinion. Or maybe you are just backtracking from the edge of the cliff?
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Dude, I'm not going to take a canvas of all the teams with money and then canvas all the upcoming free agent class just to come up with informed predictions on free agency offers. That isnt fun or interesting to me. I think Simone is worth 15 million dollars per year. THat's what I said. Stop being stupid. I'm not predicting anything, I'm just saying what he's worth to me as a percentage of the cap.
 
Fosto said:
Obviously. Only 20% of 2nd round picks make it long term in the NBA. And most of those never become starters.
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Very true but there are some who have. Jokic, Millsap, Mark Eaton was a 4th round pick. Here are some others. The percentages are against you but there is talent especially at the top of the 2nd round.

  • Cliff Robinson Draft class: 1989 Pick: 36 Team: Portland Trail Blazers ...
  • Toni Kukoc Draft class: 1990 Pick: 29 Team: Chicago Bulls ...
  • Antonio Davis Draft class: 1990 Pick: 25 ...
  • Rashard Lewis Draft class: 1998 Pick: 32 ...
  • Manu Ginobili Draft class: 1999 Pick: 57 ...
  • Gilbert Arenas Draft class: 2001 Pick: 31 ...
  • Carlos Boozer Draft class: 2002 Pick: 35 ...
  • Kyle Korver Draft class: 2003 Pick: 51 ...
 
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